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(Two) ROCs experiences

(Two) ROCs experiences. Diana.Bosio@cern.ch. ROC RFC… . E-mail on June 5 to the ROC managers list asking for CCRC’08 feedback No replies Another e-mail on June 10, with 5 yes/no questions Are you aware of the May CCRC’08? Did you notice it? Are you aware of the elogger? Did you read it?

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(Two) ROCs experiences

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  1. (Two) ROCs experiences Diana.Bosio@cern.ch

  2. ROC RFC… • E-mail on June 5 to the ROC managers list asking for CCRC’08 feedback • No replies • Another e-mail on June 10, with 5 yes/no questions • Are you aware of the May CCRC’08? • Did you notice it? • Are you aware of the elogger? • Did you read it? • How often? Daily? Weekly? • ☻ Two answers (well, actually one: APROC) • So feedback is based on APROC and CERN ROC experience WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  3. ROC experiences • Only 2 out of 11 ROCs feel directly concerned by the CCRC’08 enough to give feedback • WHY?? • ¿ Is it that they are all happy with the status quo? • ¿ Or that CCRC’08 is perceived to be an LCG-to-site business and ROCs act merely as watchers, if at all? • Based on the fact that the 2 ROCs that answered have strong connections with T1 sites. • Of course, I could be mistaken… • Main difference perceived at site level (mw upgrades, experiments requirements at sites) • No real difference in terms of support at ROC level WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  4. ROC conCERNs • We would not like the ROCs “to get in the way” • But we want to be kept in the loop… • … without having to look in many different places to be aware of what is going on (wiki, elogger, OPS meeting, GGUS…) • We would like issues to be traceable and searchable so that knowledge can be built around those • Clear procedure to contact site during and outside of office hours if needed • EASIER SAID THAN DONE! • General concern, not just for the CCRC. WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  5. During office hours • GGUS tickets rather than elogger • “VO shifters”/ “the team” tickets could do the job for issues raised by VOs (available as of June 2008). • will bypass the ROC to go straight to the site • ROC remains in the loop • Yes, but: How to distinguish those from the other tickets if required?? • Specific short description as the COD tickets ? • A specific string added to the short description? • A new field to be propagated to the local ticketing system? WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  6. Out of office hours • APROC solved brilliantly: people at CERN and in Taipei! • But for the others: how to make sure that site operators working out of hours shifts • are grid aware? • Site operators are familiar only with the way the site operates and the services as run by the site • AFS -> UI • Remedy -> ROC CERN user support • LSF -> CE and WNs • are able to send a broadcast? • Typically do not have a grid certificate • are able to have a phone conversation in English? • A phone conversation is the most difficult thing for a non native speaker! • Imagine if you have to have it while the other person is worried, in a hurry, if not in panic! WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  7. The broadcast call (USA) •  ring, ring • “Hello, John speaking” • “’ello, zere iz a bombe in the computer rhume au SERN” • “A what?” (louder) • “’ello, zere iz a bombe in the computer rhume au SERN. Ze grid is down, plis zend eu brotcaste” • “Hello? The grid? You mean OSG? The power grid?” • USA operator hangs down after several minutes of this conversation, confused. No broadcast is sent. WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

  8. The broadcast call (Taipei) •  ring, ring • “喂?” (“Wei?”) • “ello, zere iz a pover coot au SERN” • “SELN pouel cat?” • “no, pover coot au SERN: ze elefess end ze aheffess iz done. ze Globale elleffsay is up, but Physics zervices ‘ave been done for too ours. Plis zend oh broddcaste” • “vely well, bloadcast, 再見” (“Joi Gin”) BROADCAST SENT: SELN had a power cat and physics LFC services are down four hours. WLCG CCRC'08 Post-Mortem Workshop, 12-13 June 2008

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