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Guidance Information for Parents of 6 th Years

Guidance Information for Parents of 6 th Years. Deirdre Griffin Guidance Counsellor 20 th November, 2013. Structure of presentation. Preamble – The Leaving Cert Year Choices after school and National Framework of Qualifications Post Leaving Cert courses –PLCs UCAS applications

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Guidance Information for Parents of 6 th Years

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  1. Guidance Informationfor Parents of 6th Years Deirdre Griffin Guidance Counsellor 20th November, 2013

  2. Structure of presentation • Preamble – The Leaving Cert Year • Choices after school and National Framework of Qualifications • Post Leaving Cert courses –PLCs • UCAS applications • The CAO process • The HEAR application process (Higher Education Access Route to Education) • The DARE application process (Disability Access Route to Education) • The Finance (cost of college, grants SUSI - Student Universal Support Ireland) • Accommodation

  3. LEAVING CERT YEAR Very stressful and anxiety provoking year for students and parents Very important that they work steadily – ‘park’ things as they come up. Avoid procrastination…. Anxiety builds. Nutrition, EXERCISE, sleep- structure is important Avoid overconsumption (alcohol, coffee- stimulants…….depressing effect) Avoid peaks and dips- need to arrive at 4th June in good condition!

  4. LEAVING CERT YEAR • Their mental health/emotional health very important….. • Media and Leaving Cert, • Projections of parents.. • Projections of school…… • Choose one thing! • Their personal transition, how the navigate it – huge opportunity for ‘personal learning’

  5. OPTIONS after the Leaving Certificate

  6. National Framework of Qualifications

  7. www.nfq.ie

  8. NATIONAL FRAMEWORK OF QUALIFICATIONS • Level 5/6 Certificate/Advanced Certificate • FETAC (Further Education and Training Awards Council- PLC’s) • Level 6 Higher Certificate • (IOTs Institutes of Technology) • Level 7 Ordinary Bachelor Degree • (IOTs, Colleges, Universities) • Level 8 Honours Bachelor Degree • (IOTs, Colleges, Universities)

  9. Links and progression • Progression/links from FE (Further Education Colleges –FETAC) to HEI ( IOTs, Colleges/Universities • Certain number of places at HEI in various courses held for FETAC students who achieve distinctions in courses specific modules • So students can progress on the ladder system for level 5 to level 6/7/8

  10. 1) POST LEAVING CERT COURSESMain Providers in Cork College of Commerce – www.corkcollegeofcommerce.ie ColaisteStiofainNaofa – www.csn.ie St. Johns Central College – www.stjohnscollege.ie Kinsale College of Further Ed – www.kinsalecollegeoffe.ie Apply from December on the above websites directly to college. Interviews in Feb/March, May and August Some courses are competitive (eg Hairdressing and Childcare so apply early)

  11. POST LEAVING CERT COURSES (PLC’s) – Colleges of Further Education Offer a range of courses, mostly to FETAC Level 5 (1 year), some to Level 6 (2 years) Possibility of entry to Higher Education Institutions (HEI) on completion of course Entry requirements - usually 5 passes in Leaving Cert and interview Some fees, some charges (proportion covered by grant if applicable)

  12. EgColaisteStiofanNaofa

  13. Kinsale College of Further Education

  14. 2) UCAS APPLICATIONS • UCAS (UK) Sept to Jan apply online • OCT 15th deadline for Med, Vet, Dent • Jan 15th All other courses

  15. 3) CAO APPLICATIONS

  16. Central Applications Office – CAO CAO Handbook (all rules/all courses) 46 Higher Education Institutions (HEI) covering Universities, Institutes of Technology, Art Colleges, Specialist Colleges and some Private Colleges (Colleges not covered by the Free Fees Scheme) The HEI’s offer Level 6 (Higher Cert), Level 7 (Ordinary Degrees) and Level 8 (Honour Degrees) courses

  17. Important dates for CAO November 5th 2013: CAO opens Register before Jan 20th avail of discounted fee € 25 Normal closing date 1 Feb € 40 All restricted courses MUST be in choice list before 1 Feb 5th May to 1st of July change of mind facility (change order of courses) Free Statement of application record posted by the end of May – READ IT! 18th Aug - Round one offers (accept by 25th Aug) 27th Aug – Round two offers (accept by 3rd Sept)

  18. RESTRICTED COURSES A restricted course is any course which requires more then entry requirements and points for entry (auditions – music/drama, portfolio – Art, HPAT – Medicine) If a student is applying to a restricted course this MUST be in list by February 1st. Restricted courses are clearly highlighted in the CAO handbook. After 1st Feb you can change order or delete course, but you cannot generally introduce it as auditions, portfolio etc dates are arranged for Feb/Mar/April

  19. ISSUES WHICH INFLUENCE COURSE CHOICES Ability / Interests - KNOW YOURSELF Subjects (in the course) - Look at college calender or book of modules for each course to see WHAT will be studied in each year of course Style of learning – How is course taught (Theory/Practical/Combination of both) Geographical location (support systems) Finance (Costs and grants) Specific v broad courses (personal value system) Career Implications Research and talk to people, open days, email course directors (information is power..) FRIENDS’ DECISIONS……….. Back up Plan

  20. Research • www.cao.ie • www.qualifax.ie (courses) • www.careersportal.ie (very comprehensive courses/careers) • www.careerdirections.ie (careers) • www.postgradireland.com • College Prospectus • College web sites • CAO handbook

  21. Entry Requirements Level 8 (Hons Degree) 2HC3 + 4H/OD3 to include English, Irish, Maths, Other Language……(This is a general rule with lots of exceptions. Arts programmes - no maths requirement, sciences/Healthcare – no language requirement but Lab Science requirement, Hons Engineering HC3 Maths, Primary School Teaching 3HC3 one to be Irish, Level 6/7 (Higher Certificate/Ord Degree – generally offered in IOTs ) –Passes in five subjects to include specific subjects (eg, Maths and English etc) FOR EVERY COURSE ENTRY, REQUIREMNTS MUST BE CHECKED. If all Entry Requirements are met THEN applicant is deemed ‘Qualified’ to apply, only THEN do the points become relevant.

  22. POINTS TO NOTE The CAO Handbook lists the courses and course codes. All up to date information is on www.cao.ie The responsibility for ensuring a correct application lies with each applicant. Applicants to the CAO may choose up to 10 Level 8 Courses and up to 10 Level 6/7 Courses Students may delete, change order or add courses (except restricted ones) during the Change of Mind period (early May -1st July) with some minimal restrictions

  23. COURSE SELECTION – IOT’s Students sometimes do not pay enough attention to the ladder route available in IOT’s Starting from a Level 6 course, students may progress onto a Level 7 and then onto a Level 8 course. Pay attention to Level 6/7 course options. Keep all options open. These choices may bring you to where you want to go…….

  24. LEAVING CERT POINTS

  25. TWO EXAMPLES OF LEAVING CERT POINTS WITH BONUS 25 POINTS FOR HONS MATHS

  26. HOW DOES IT WORK CAO checks entry requirements HEI release how many places for each course CAO place each candidate in a queue for each of their course preferences, beginning with their first and moving down through second, third etc until they are in a position to offer a course. Eg. 10 places for a course, 20 apply first preference. Person with top score front of queue and others fall in behind. The person who gets in on tenth place, it is their points that are the ‘cut off’ (points for course). If there are three candidates for last place then their random number applies and the candidate with highest random number gets it. If candidates refuse an offer then those places reissued to next in queue in round 2….. Then round 3 till places are filled.

  27. Applicant Position Applicant Position Points Score Points Score Course Merit Lists 1 560 1 560 2 535 2 535 3 525 3 525 4 520 4 520 5 510 5 510 6 510 6 510 7 505 7 505 8 500 8 500 9 490 9 490 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 15 455 15 455 16 445 16 445 17 440 17 440 18 435 18 435 19 420 19 420 20 410 20 410 21 405 21 405 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 98 340 98 345 99 335 99 340 100 330 100 335 101 325 101 335 102 315 102 335 103 310 103 315 104 305 104 310 105 295 105 305 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 182 265 182 265 Course with 100 places to be offered Course with 100 places to be offered  Last place to be filled  Random Selection to be used Course Cut Off Points = 330 Course Cut Off Points = 335*

  28. ORDER OF PREFERENCE It is a mistake to rate the quality of degrees by their entry points. Points only indicate supply and demand. The points reflect the number of places available on each course and represent the score achieved by the last student to be offered a place. If a number of students are tied on points for the last place, then students are picked randomly. Denoted by an * - e.g. 385*

  29. So – what is the best way to fill in the courses? Dream Courses A WORD OF CAUTION: IF YOU ARE FILLING IN ALL 10 CHOICES, ONLY CHOOSE COURSES THAT YOU WOULD BE HAPPY WITH – DON’T ‘THROW IN’ A COURSE! Realistic Courses Banker Courses

  30. Sample Applicant with score of 425 points Hons degree level 8 Higher Cert/Ord degree level 6/7 • Business Information Systems UCC 440 • Commerce UCC 430 • Finance UCC 420 • Business Info Systems CIT 315 • Food Marketing UCC 435 • Arts UCC 330 • Business St UL 375 • Software Development CIT 300 • Computer Science UCC 340 • Marketing CIT 295 1. Business Studies CIT 250 2. Business Admin CIT 210 3. Tourism CIT 225 4. Computing CIT 290 5. Business WIT 200 6. Business /Tourism WIT 210 7. Recreation /Leisure CIT 330 8. Business Studies ITT 190 9. Office Info System ITT 210 10. Computing ITT 225 No Longer Considered No Longer Considered

  31. POINTS TO NOTE It is a mistake to base choice of course only on a students present expectation of examination performance or on the points of previous years Again GENUINE ORDER OF PREFERENCE is the best way of ensuring students end up where they want to end up Some students change order of preference as a reaction to the experience of doing their exams. This is a mistake.(They may do this without informing parents)…. Preferably final choice done by end May

  32. AFTER SUBMITTING APPLICATION You are assigned a CAO number, which you keep and quote on all correspondences An initial acknowledgment is sent by email Statement of Application Record by end May at the latest. This should be READ carefully to ensure all information is correct. If not, contact CAO immediately. After changes of mind, final Statement of Application sent before 7th July

  33. THE OFFER PROCESS • Leaving Cert Results - Wed. 13th Aug • CAO Round One - Mon. 18th Aug • Your offer notice issued online (and post) may contain an offer • for a Level 8 course • or a Level 7/6 course • or both • If students receive two offers (one from level 8 one from level 6/7) at the same time they may only accept one of them. • If they wish to accept an offer of a place they must carry out the instructions on the offer notice before 5.15pm on the closing date for acceptance printed on the offer notice.

  34. OFFERS • When students accept a place, they may still become eligible for a course higher up their list, if this happens they can accept the new offer or stay with the original one. • Remember you could move up your list, but you cannot move down, the CAO presumes that you listed your courses IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE. • It is a mistake to reject an offer in the hope of getting something higher….. It may not happen.

  35. CAO – DEFERRED ENTRY Read page 5 of handbook Do not accept the offer in the manner shown on the CAO Offer Notice. Email or write immediately to the Admissions Office of the particular college setting out the reason(s) for the request. Mark 'Deferred Entry' clearly on the subject line/envelope. This must be received by college at least two days before the reply date on offer. If accepted the deferral is held for one year. The following year you reapply through CAO only choosing your deferred course and tick the deferral box on application

  36. HEAR- Higher Education Access RouteDARE – Disability Access Route to Education

  37. The Higher Education Access Route (HEAR) HEAR is a 3rd level admissions scheme for students from socio economically disadvantaged backgrounds 16 HEIs participate – UCC, UCD, DCU, DIT, UCG, TCD, UL, NUIM and teacher training colleges Students who are eligible for HEAR compete for a number of reduced points places, but they still need to meet minimum and specific entry requirements Eligibility depends on financial means and also socio-economic background

  38. DARE (Disability Access Route to Education) DARE is a 3rd level scheme to allow students with disabilities to compete for one of a number of reserved places in HEIs on a reduced points basis. A large variety of disabilities included, from learning difficulties to mental health conditions to specific long term illnesses Medical/Psychological Evidence of Disability required 18 HEIs participate including – UCC, CIT, DIT, AIT, DCU, NCI, NUIG, NUIM, Pontifical Maynooth, UCD, TCD, UL, Mater Dei

  39. HEAR and DARE Applications Both forms are optional ‘add-ons’ on CAO Form Both forms need to be completed by 1st March. Supporting documents to arrive to CAO by 1st April. HEAR and DARE advice clinic on Jan 11th 2014, 10am - 2pm in UCC at De Vere Hall, Student Centre. All HEAR and DARE applicants with their parents/guardians should attend this session. Practice workbook available online, if completed and brought to Advice Clinic, you are in a better position to get exact advice. Website : www.accesscollege.ie

  40. Information and help • www.accesscollege.ie. • Download application videos for both HEAR and DARE. • Workbook to fill out to aid your online application • Information about supporting documents • Information about eligibility

  41. Dates to remember • 11th Jan National Hear/ Dare advice clinics • UCC DARE advice clinics held in UCC G02 (Western Gateway) 6-8pm on • Nov 6th • Nov 20th • Dec 4th

  42. How many applications? Students can apply to PLCs (Post Leaving Cert courses in any or all of the Further Education Colleges) plus CAO, plus UCAS (English colleges) if they so choose Be realistic- know yourself

  43. Cost of going to college Accommodation Grants/Scholarships

  44. Monthly Cost of Living Away from Home Books €70 Accommodation €400 Light/Heat/Power €60 Food €240 Clothes, laundry, etc… €45 Local Travel €80 Social Life, other travel, miscellaneous €140 Total per month €1,035 Yearly Total (8 months) €8,280 Source: DCU Student Affairs

  45. Accommodation The search for college accommodation starts early each year. If your son or daughter is hoping to secure on-campus accommodation it would be worthwhile contacting the relevant colleges now to enquire about reserving a place. Colleges generally manage the on-campus accommodation themselves Payment is usually made in 2 instalments (Sept and Dec)

  46. On- Campus Accommodation • UCC • Accept bookings from mid Feb and prospective students are advised to research online www.ucccampusaccommodation.ieor ring 021 4902475/4902353. There is a virtual tour of apartments online • Numerous complexes - some UCC owned (e.g. Castlewhite, Victoria Lodge), others private (e.g. Brooklodge, Deans Hall, Farranlea). Website indicates those accepting First Years. Deposit €250 approx, refund €200, depending on when you cancel • CIT have no on-campus accommodation. Info on Digs/houses etc. contact the accommodations office 021 4335750 or www.cit.ie/studentlife

  47. On Campus Accommodation • Mary Immaculate College • On-campus is for girls only (68 places). Deposit of €750 (student does not take offer, refund of €650). Total cost is deposit plus €2,640. Student has own room. Emphasis on security. Accommodations office - 061-204503. (Off campus accommodation also available) • UL • Accept bookings from Jan. Five ‘villages’ to choose from. Book on-line early. Deposit of €250 payable - if student does not go to UL given back €200 at least. Cost €3,500 - €4,500. Tel 061 202433 or www.ul.ie/accommodation for information.

  48. On Campus Accommodation • DCU – Booking from Feb. Places allocated to those with 500pts+ first and rest on a lottery subject to them having accepted a place. www.dcu.ie/accommodationor on 01-7005736 • Trinity – Accepts applications online, only after an offer has been accepted by the student. All information online, all considered equally. Accommodation Office 01-8961177 or www.tcd.ie/accommodation • UCD – 800 on campus places. Apply in May (no deposit). Once student has accepted place they open to being offered accommodation Tel: 01-7161274 and www.ucd.ie/residence

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