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Missed Triggers II Return of the Forgotten Ones

Missed Triggers II Return of the Forgotten Ones. Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013 . What is a Missed Trigger ?. Triggered Ability has to trigger Controlling player “ forgets ” it.

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Missed Triggers II Return of the Forgotten Ones

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  1. MissedTriggers IIReturn of the ForgottenOnes Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  2. What is a MissedTrigger? TriggeredAbility has to trigger Controllingplayer “forgets” it Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  3. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  4. When is a TriggerForgotten? Target required Change in visible game state Choicerequired Rule-changing Non-visible effect Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  5. What is not a MissedTrigger? Triggerresolvedpartiallyorincorrectly Game gotrushed past the Trigger Triggerthatmakesdelayedtrigger Triggerthatmakes copies Trigger without impact Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  6. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  7. What has changed? Misseddelayedtriggers Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  8. Remedy Stilldependson the situation Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  9. PossibleSituations Optionalaction Youmay Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  10. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  11. Optionalaction As a Player: try to remembernext time As an Opponent: nothing As a Judge: nothing Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  12. PossibleSituations MandatoryAction Usuallybeneficial Usuallydetrimental Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  13. WHO’S THAT MAGIC CARD? Seminar onMissedTriggers – 2nd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Oirschot ByBemindtJona – 25th November 2012

  14. Beneficialmandatorytrigger • Onlyifaskedby Opponent • Put ability in proper place, oronbottom of stack • No Warnings As a Player: try to remembernext time As an Opponent: youcancall a Judge As a Judge: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  15. Detrimentalmandatorytrigger • Issue a Warning • Put ability in proper place, or on bottom of stack ifasked As a Player: try to remembernext time As an Opponent: youcancall a Judge As a Judge: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  16. PossibleSituations Default action Ifyoudon’t.../...unless Associatedwithchoice made by controller Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  17. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  18. Defaultaction • Issue a Warning • Always resolvedefault action (2 possibilities) • Everythingstilllegal? As a Player: try to remembernext time As an Opponent: youcancall a Judge As a Judge: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  19. PossibleSituations Delayed Trigger Changes zone of an object Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  20. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  21. Defaultaction • Issue a Warning? • Always resolve default action (2 possibilities) • Everythingstilllegal? As a Player: try to remembernext time As an Opponent: youcancall a Judge As a Judge: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  22. PossibleSituations 5. Youdon’t want to Anabilityyoucontroltriggers Youknowabout the trigger Youchoose to ignoreit Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  23. Youdon’t want to No longer a MissedTrigger UnsportingConduct - Cheating Handleit as such Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  24. Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  25. Whatabout the opponent? • Duration of the effect has notyetexpired • OR • Trigger was missedlessthan a turn ago Is neverissued a Warning Cancall a Judge: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  26. Recapitulation • Calledby the Opponent • You want to issue a Warning • You suspect Shenanigans Warningsforunintentionallymisseddetrimentaltrigger Onlyinterveneif: Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  27. PhilosophicalGrounds Common and invisible Rememberyourowntriggers Don’t have to play the game foryour Opponent Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  28. Adventure Time! Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  29. Adventure I Neville controls a BattlewiseHoplite Albus attacks with a NessianAsp Neville casts SavageSurge on the Hoplite Neville scriesand puts the card on the bottom Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  30. Adventure I Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  31. Adventure I Both players are nowtapped out Neville blockswith the Hoplite Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies” Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  32. Adventure I Do youinterfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  33. Adventure II Aragogcontrols a Desecration Demon Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped Aragogsays: “declare attack?” Naginisays: “sure!” Aragog attacks with the Demon Nagini calls the Judge Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  34. Adventure II Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  35. Adventure II Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  36. Adventure III In Narcissa’s last turn, shecastedAkroan Horse an gave itto Arabella Arabella untaps, and draws a card Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  37. Adventure III Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  38. Adventure III Do youinterfere? Infraction? Ruling? Penalties? Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

  39. Questions? Seminar onMissedTriggers – 3rd AnnualBeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt ByBemindtJona – 24th November 2013

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