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a quatherm p resentation AHSCA WA 22 nd October 2014

“AS/NZS 3500.4 Hot water recirculation coverage” “Will it become a reality?”. a quatherm p resentation AHSCA WA 22 nd October 2014. Copper ions harvested in PP-R HWRS pipes having a catalytic effect on oxidative stress cracking.

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a quatherm p resentation AHSCA WA 22 nd October 2014

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  1. “AS/NZS 3500.4 Hot water recirculation coverage” “Will it become a reality?” aquathermpresentation AHSCA WA 22nd October 2014

  2. Copper ions harvested in PP-R HWRS pipes having a catalytic effect on oxidative stress cracking.

  3. Misinterpretation of the maximum velocity of 3.0 m/s mentioned in current AS/NZS 3500.4:2003

  4. Misinterpretation of the maximum velocity of 3.0 m/s mentioned in current AS/NZS 3500.4:2003

  5. AS/NZS 3500.4:2003 section 9

  6. AS/NZS 3500.4:2003 section 9

  7. Recommendations by Prof. G.George Emeritus Professor of Polymer Science QUT Brisbane, AM

  8. Recommendations by Prof. G.George Emeritus Professor of Polymer Science QUT Brisbane, AM

  9. Recommendations by Prof. G.George Emeritus Professor of Polymer Science QUT Brisbane, AM

  10. Recommendations by Dr. Jeff D. Gates BSc, PhD, MIEAust, CPEng, CMP UQMP

  11. Recommendations by Dr. David Nicholas Nicholas Corrosion Pty Ltd • Produced review of current knowledge in 2003 on copper corrosion in plumbing • Specifically recommended maximum flow velocities of 2m/s in cold water and 0.5 m/s in hot water systems. • Paper peer reviewed and approved by Dr Nuttall for re-issue in 2010 while supported by European Copper Institute. Clearly, they believe a velocity constraint is required even if it is absent from BS EN 806-5! • Both German Standard (DIN1988) and Dutch KIWA recommend velocities below 0.5 and 0.75 m/s respectively.

  12. Recommendations by Dr. David Nicholas Nicholas Corrosion Pty Ltd • It is clear that as temperatures rise above ambient allowable velocities reduce. Precise quantitative figures are not available. • Dr Gates considers temperature a critical component of corrosion-erosion • Nevertheless, most authorities and references (including CDA) show that above 60oC velocities by consensus should be reduced to 0.9 m/s maximum. • This applies to recirculating HWS where velocity is constant. • Some references suggest even lower velocities are advisable (0.7 m/s)

  13. Recommendations by Dr. David Nicholas Nicholas Corrosion Pty Ltd • Copper, although it generally has excellent corrosion resistance, is still a relatively soft metal. • Protective oxide films on copper change composition at around 60oC (CU2O  CuO) • There is limited research on effects constant temperature and velocity as found in recirculating systems.

  14. Recommendations by Dr. David Nicholas Nicholas Corrosion Pty Ltd • In continuous recirculating hot water systems with temperatures >60oC it is prudent to keep constant velocities below 0.7 m/s and certainly below 0.9 m/s, regardless of limits in AS/NZS 3500 • It is known and published that velocities should not exceed 0.5-0.9m/s in recirculating hot water systems • Dr Gates investigated failures where velocity was ~1.5m/s, well below allowable 3m/s There needs to be independent study of allowable maximum constant velocities with a view to reducing the present limits in AS/NZS 3500.4.

  15. Recommendations by Dr. David Nicholas Nicholas Corrosion Pty Ltd • Hydraulic design of copper recirculating systems should limit velocities to less than 0.9m/s maximum, with 0.7m/s being preferable. • Excessive temperature should be avoided wherever possible. • It is prudent not to mix copper and polypropylene pipe in the same recirculating system where temperatures exceed 60oC and water velocities exceed best practice.

  16. Recommendations by Foundation of Water Research UK 2003/2010

  17. Recommendations by CDA USA 1996

  18. CDA US Copper Symposium 2001

  19. CDA US Copper Symposium 2001

  20. The Copper Tube Handbook CDA US 2011

  21. Velocity proposal – Feedback from PCC October 2013

  22. DRAFT for Public Comment AS/NZS 3500.4:2014

  23. Shafton University Mansions QLD Tribunal

  24. Shafton University Mansions QLD Tribunal

  25. Shafton University Mansions QLD Tribunal

  26. Shafton University Mansions QLD Tribunal

  27. Shafton University Mansions QLD Tribunal

  28. Hopefully in the near future this will be something from the past

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