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Faith is the introduction into grace. Salvation takes place by faith apart from works . . .

Jack is just one of a growing number influenced by men such as F. Lagard Smith, who teach a NEW way to look at the scriptures . . . Views the church as JUST another denomination . . . Jack is actively seeking members of the church who are weak and discontent . . . (NICOCSTUDY.NET)

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Faith is the introduction into grace. Salvation takes place by faith apart from works . . .

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  1. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  2. Jack is just one of a growing number influenced by men such as F. Lagard Smith, who teach a NEW way to look at the scriptures . . . • Views the church as JUST another denomination . . . • Jack is actively seeking members of the church who are weak and discontent . . . (NICOCSTUDY.NET) • Some of his arguments are popular . . . And we need to know how to answer them!! W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  3. The Scriptures teach that that one becomes a Christian at the point of faith, before and without water baptism. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  4. Faith is the introduction into grace. • Salvation takes place by faith apart from works . . . • Baptism is just a symbol of salvation . . . • Baptism is sometimes uses as a figure of speech in the New Testament (synecdoche) – • There are Biblical examples of people who were saved prior to or apart from the baptism of the Great Commission W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  5. Romans 5:1-2 (NASB-U) Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, [2] through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace . . . Thayer Definition: Προσαγωγή - prosagōgē 1) the act of bringing to, a moving to 2) access, approach 2a) to God, i.e. that relationship with God whereby we are acceptable to him and have assurance that he is favorably disposed towards him W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  6. Romans 5:1-2 (NASB-U) Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, [2] through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace . . . • Access – KJV Ephes. 2:18 (NKJV) For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Ephes. 3:12 (NKJV) in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  7. Romans 5:1-2 (NASB-U) Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, [2] through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace . . . • Access – KJV State - You are sons of God!! Access – through faith in Christ!! When?? – For, (gar) as many of you as were baptized INTO Christ . . . Galatians 3:26-27 (NKJV) For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  8. Romans 4:6 (NKJV) just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: In Romans 4 Paul says we are saved initially by faith apart from works. ~ Church of Christ Mailing List 2/20/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  9. What kind of works?? -(4) • Paul is NOT referring to obedience to the gospel in this text – (Rom. 1:5; 2:7,8; 6:3-6,16-18; 16:25,26) • Paul is NOT dealing with initial salvation in this text – (4:3;Gen 15:6) • Paul is protesting against the judaizers in this text! Romans 4:6 (NKJV) just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  10. Romans 4:1-6 Justified Counted forrighteousness FulfilledGenesis 15:6 Strong Not of works James 2:21-24 Justified Counted forrighteousness FulfilledGenesis 15:6 Perfect By works There MUST be two classes of “works” or else a contradiction! W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  11. Romans 4:2-6 (Jack Holt’s Perversion) For if Abraham was justified by obeying the gospel, he has something to boast about, but not before God. . . . [4] Now to him who obeys the gospel, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. . . . W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  12. Romans 4:2-6 (Jack Holt’s Perversion) [5] But to him who does not obey the gospel but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  13. Romans 4:2-6 (Jack Holt’s Perversion) [6] just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from obedience to the gospel : Works = Perfectly keeping the Law of God, specifically, in context - the Law of Moses!! W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  14. Consequences: Blessed is the man that does NOT obey the gospel!!! Romans 4:2-6 (Jack Holt’s Perversion) [6] just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from obedience to the gospel : Mat 7:21-23 Rom. 2:8; 6:3-18; 10:16 1 Peter 1:22,23 2 Thes. 1:7-9 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  15. Christian baptism is a shadow and type of salvation, but not the reality of it. It pictures that salvation, inward transformation, cleansing, and forgiveness that takes place in the heart. It pictures the death of Christ and faith in Christ, which are the substance, but baptism itself is not the substance but a shadow or symbol. Marslist-1/21/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  16. In Hebrews 9, speaking of the washings (Greek, baptismos) of the Old Testament the Bible says such washing were a "symbol" (NASB). I see no reason to consider New Testament baptism any differently. ~ Nicocstudy 2/24/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  17. In Hebrews 9, speaking of the washings (Greek, baptismos) of the Old Testament the Bible says such washing were a "symbol" (NASB). I see no reason to consider New Testament baptism any differently. ~ Nicocstudy 2/24/06 • 9:11 – Christ came – shed His blood – (Real or symbolic?) • 9:15-20 - Established the NEW Covenant, (real or symbolic?) • Hebrews 10:19-23 –To enter the Holiest & draw near to God - True heart – Full assurance of faith – Hearts sprinkled with blood of Christ – Bodies washed! W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  18. Baptism is a sign and seal like Old Testament circumcision was – Romans 4:9-11 Romans 4:11 (NKJV) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  19. Baptism is a sign and seal like Old Testament circumcision was – Romans 4:9-11 • Circumcision was a sign of faith & Righteousness only to Abraham - All others were circumcised involuntarily . . . • Abraham was the father of both Jew and Gentile – the SIGN that separated them was circumcision – Paul points to Abraham as being accepted by God before the commandment was ever given! W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  20. Baptism is a sign and seal like Old Testament circumcision was – Romans 4:9-11 • Where does the Bible EVER refer to baptism as a “sign” or “seal”???? • Where does the Bible EVER refer to baptism as being equivalent to the “sign” and “seal” of circumcision? Colossians 2:11-13 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  21. Baptism is a sign and seal like Old Testament circumcision was – Romans 4:9-11 • The circumcision of Christ was without hands!!! – 11 • The circumcision of Christ is an inward act performed directly by Christ – 11; (Rom 2:28,29) • The operation of God – 12 • The question is WHEN?? Colossians 2:11-13 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  22. “. . . For all the outward works one does after he believes and becomes a Christian.” Mark 16:16 Holt/Welch debate – 1st Aff Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV) And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

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  24. “. . . The Eunuch, Cornelius, Those baptized with John’s baptism, Thief on the cross, Old Testament saints . . .” Holt/Welch debate – 1st Aff “God has had ONLY ONE plan for all ages!!” W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  25. “. . . The Eunuch, Cornelius, Those baptized with John’s baptism, Thief on the cross, Old Testament saints . . .” Holt/Welch debate – 1st Aff • Period of transition!! • Same principles with different requirements! • Which of these were NOT following the instructions applicable to them??? W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  26. I have stated that those who do not have access to written revelation can, through the revelation of creation itself and God’s providence, come to see their guilt as sinners and turn to God in faith as a solution, and I have stated I believe such will be saved by the blood of Christ. Marslist 1/11/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  27. My position is that those who are without written revelation can, through natural revelation, know that there is a God, that they are sinners, and turn to God in faith for the forgiveness of their sins and that such will be saved through the blood of Christ. Marslist 1/19/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  28. “Thus, yes, I have hope that pagans who do not have access to written revelation, can, on the basis of the revelation of creation, yield to God, and I believe they are saved by the blood of Christ just like I am when they do so.” Marslist 1/19/06 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  29. Mat. 28:18-20; Mark 16:15,16; Acts 2:38,39 • Hebrews 1:1,2 – “Hath in these last days . . .” • Acts 17:30 – “Commands all men everywhere to repent . . .” • Acts 4:12 – “No other name . . .” • John 14:6 – “The way, the truth, and the life” • Rom. 1:16,17 – “Power of God to salvation to all who believe . . .” W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  30. Jericho-Hebrews 11:30 Samson-Judges 13:16 Brass Serpent-John 3:14-15 Pool Of Siloam-John 9 Noah-Hebrews 11:7 Naaman-2 Kings 5 Baptism-Mark 16:15-16 W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  31. Faith is the introduction into grace. • Salvation takes place by faith apart from works . . . • Baptism is just a symbol of salvation . . . • Baptism is sometimes uses as a figure of speech in the New Testament (synecdoche) – • There are Biblical examples of people who were saved prior to or apart from the baptism of the Great Commission W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  32. W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

  33. Believe Repent Confess Hear Be Baptized W. 65th St church of Christ ~ April 30,2006

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