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Learn how to source components for your new computer system, whether you choose to build it yourself or buy pre-built. Find out about different suppliers and their advantages and disadvantages.
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GSBUG Hardware Info SIG January 8, 2004
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Agenda – January 8, 2004 • 7:00 – 7:05 Administration • 7:05 – 8:15 Featured Topic – Your New System (2003 Update): Sourcing Your Components • 8:15 – 8:30 Hardware News • 8:30 – 8:55 Random Access (Q&A) • 8:55 – 9:00 Recap, Preview, and Close
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Administration • Welcome! Please Sign In. • What the SIG is…and is not. • Is - a resource for computer users and potential computer users • Is NOT – a cheap way to get your computer built or repaired (contact the GSBUG Daytime Hardware SIG) • Logs – Random Access/Q&A (First Come…)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Administration (continued): • Presentation materials will be posted at: http://gsbug.apcug.org/hwinfosig.htm • Prior presentation materials also posted.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Update): Sourcing • Givens (from the last meeting) • You have established your “budget”. • You have developed and “finalized” your system spec, i.e., you have defined a set of minimums: • Acceptable key components – as applicable, the CPU, RAM type, chipset, graphics solution, and monitor type • Acceptable other components – balance of the components needed to complete your system.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • The Process • “Make or Buy” decision • Define acceptable suppliers (type/issues) • Locate suppliers • Evaluate offerings • Make the purchases • Track, receive, inventory, and TEST.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • “Make or Buy” decision • IF you are willing to consider “foregoing the experience” of building your own system, you have the established budget and spec with which to evaluate buying a pre-built system. • Possible advantages of buying pre-built • System-level warranty and support • Technical expertise (assumed) • Cost may be lower
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • “Make or Buy” decision (continued) • Possible disadvantages of buying pre-built • Unknown components (salesperson may not know or be willing to disclose, and/or the product may vary due to available inventory) – brand, model, OEM variations • Delays in getting problem resolved – shipping, onsite scheduling • Unwillingness to attempt to resolve problems over the phone without OS reload (restore to original software load). • If “Buy”, many of the steps that follow will still be applicable.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Define acceptable suppliers (type/issues) • Local store • “Local” (subject to small claims filing - up to $5K) • Face-to-face – see who you’re dealing with • Chance to see their “shop” • Chance to negotiate • BBB records • References • Available products - box vs. tray, bulk vs. retail • “Cash discount”, sales tax • Warranty/service – in store, “manufacturer’s”, on-site (system)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Define acceptable suppliers (type/issues)(cont.) • Local computer “shows” (swap meets) • “Local” vendors? All may not be local. Need to check. • Face-to-face - see who you’re dealing with • Would require a separate trip to see their “shop” • Chance to negotiate • BBB records – only if you call from the show (delay) • References – less time to pursue (delay) • Available products - box vs. tray, bulk vs. retail • “Cash discount”; sales tax; different price after show • Warranty/service - in store, “manufacturer’s”, on-site (system)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Define acceptable suppliers (type/issues)(cont.) • Web • “Local” vendors? Need to check. • No “face-to-face” • Would require a separate trip to see their “shop” • No chance to negotiate; different price for non-web orders • BBB records – still possible • References – still possible • Available products - box vs. tray, bulk vs. “retail”. Need to check. • Shipping (and handling) cost, no cash discount, sales tax (still) • Warranty/service – site’s, “manufacturer’s”, on-site (system)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Define acceptable suppliers (type/issues)(cont.) • All sources – other issues • Returns policy (return for refund or store credit) • Non-returnable items – CPU, RAM, hard drives, software • Length of time (starting when?) • Restocking fee • DOA vs. defect (if defect, the replacement may NOT be new) • Order cancellation policy • Credit card processing procedures – when charged; funds “reservation” • READ the fine print!!!
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Locate suppliers • Local store • Yellow pages • Local computer “rag” • Saturday paper (LA Times sports section) • Newspaper inserts • Word of mouth/referrals.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Locate suppliers (continued) • Local computer shows • Web sites for the major shows • http://www.lacomputerfair.com/CFPages/schedule.html • http://www.megashow.com/computer/schedule.html • http://www.acpsuperstore.com/ • Local computer “rag” • Saturday paper (LA Times sports section) • Flyers – “sign posts” • Word of mouth/referrals.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Locate suppliers (continued) • Web (specific brands) • Manufacturer’s site (direct sales; retail model listing; retailer links) • Compaq/HP • Dell • IBM • Hundreds of others (Gateway, MPC…) • Web (specific retailers) • Sites for major retail chains – Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, Fry’s (outpost.com), Micro Center, Office Depot, Staples
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Locate suppliers (continued) • Web (pricing engines) • http://www.pricewatch.com • http://www.pricegrabber.com • http://shopper.cnet.com • http://www.pricescan.com • http://www.streetprices.com • http://www.sharkyextreme.com
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Evaluate offerings (TOTAL “cost” view) • Match or exceed your spec? • Within budget? • Match your criteria for an acceptable supplier? • Acceptable warranty and support? • Acceptable returns policy? • List known negatives, if any, for each purchase • Go back for more? • Bottom line – make a decision!
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Make the purchases • Prefer credit card purchase over any form of “cash” – credit card “charge-back” ability is GOLD! Credit card company/bank will typically support the card holder once merchandise has been returned (POD). [Rejects!] • Attempt to get the product warranty and support terms spelled out on the invoice; if web order, print the associated spec, pricing, and “terms” pages (dates) • Invoice should have the supplier’s name, address, and phone number PRE-printed (attach a business card); note salesperson’s name (in full)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Make the purchases (continued) • Understand and document the “order cancellation policy” and credit card processing “procedures” • Understand and document the “returns policy” • If web, print out the order confirmation; note tracking site/info • Try to schedule the purchases such that the hardware is received about the same time – need to test the pieces together (avoid being unable to return for credit because of lapse of time).
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Track, receive, inventory, and TEST • If web, track the parts until received. If the shipment hasn’t departed the supplier by the second business day after purchase, contact the supplier by phone. • Inspect the exterior of the package BEFORE accepting it – if it shows substantial damage or if it doesn’t match what you ordered (as best you can tell), reject the shipment! • Once accepted, carefully unpack and check for the “retail”/manufacturer’s seal. If missing, so note and watch for indications that the product has been used or is OEM. • Keep all packaging materials!
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Track, receive, inventory, and TEST (continued) • Inventory the contents – is everything there? Compare to the packing slip and any Bill of Material that may be on the side of a retail box. Immediately notify the supplier of any missing or mismatched items. Good luck! • If it appears that anything has been used, you need to immediately decide whether to contact the vendor to get a replacement or to proceed. If you proceed, your chances of getting a replacement after that point are nil - unless defective.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • Track, receive, inventory, and TEST (continued) • Once you are satisfied everything is there and appears in good, apparently functional condition, proceed to partial assembly and test. • Testing should ONLY be done with the components you will actually be using in the system. Anything else is a potential mismatch which can lead to false positives and/or false negatives. • If any component fails to function, is “noisy”, or otherwise evidences a defect, immediately contact the vendor.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Your New System (2003 Upd): Sourcing (cont.) • If you’ve gotten this far OK, you’re ready for next month’s presentation on initial system assembly.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Hardware News • Processors • AMD released the Athlon 64 3000+ (2.0GHz, 512K L2) and the Athlon 64 3400+ (2.2GHz, 1MB L2) – simple line extensions. • Core Logic (chipsets) • VIA released the K8M800 Northbridge for AMD Athlon 64 processors – integrated S3 UniChrome Pro graphics controller (lower mid-range capability). • System RAM – nothing new
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Hardware News • Motherboards • Gigabyte released the GA-8TRS300M microATX, Pentium 4 board based on the ATI 9100 IGP. • Graphics processors & cards • Matrox announced the “Parhelia PCI 256MB” – first Parhelia-bases high performance, PCI card; wide range on monitor configurations supported (up to 9.2 MP) including dual head and triple head. • S3 announced that 3D-Club (Europe) will be producing cards based on its DeltaChrome technology – no spec.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Hardware News (continued) • Hard Drives – nothing new • Hard Drive Controllers – nothing new • Other Drives • Lite-On released the LDW-851SX external 8X dual-mode DVD burner – USB 2.0 interface, 40x24x40 CD. • Sony (in October) released the DRU-530A (internal) and DRX-530UL (external) 8X, dual-mode DVD burners – interface for external unknown (no spec), 40x24x40 CD.
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Hardware News (continued) • Other Drives (continued) • Teac released the DV-W58E 8/4/12/32/16/40 DVD+RW internal drive – no spec available. • Sound processors & cards – nothing new • Modems & NICs – nothing new • Chassis & power supplies – nothing new
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Random Access (Q&A)
GSBUG Hardware Info SIG • Recap, Preview, and Close • Recap • Preview • No meeting in February (SIG Leader out of town) • Featured Topic for March 11, 2004 – Your New System (2003 Update): Setting Up/Installing Your Motherboard, CPU, and System RAM • Close (please police up the area)