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through suffering, despair?

through suffering, despair?. euripides ’ trojan women 2. Andromache and Astyanax. Agenda. Class Project (cont.) Problem and Approach Recap and Update Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy? Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) Is Talthybius a monster?. Class Project (cont.).

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through suffering, despair?

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  1. through suffering, despair? euripides’ trojanwomen 2 Andromache and Astyanax

  2. Agenda • Class Project (cont.) • Problem and Approach • Recap and Update • Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy? • Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) • Is Talthybius a monster? euripides trojan women

  3. Class Project (cont.) Problem and Approach

  4. Problem, Approach Approach: Critical Thinking Problem: Universal/Particular Nature of problem?… Questions to ask? My response to tragedy? (feelings, thoughts) Other?... • Studied to learn… • How to think • Not how to pass • Elements? • Grasping problems • And formulating questions?... • Reading evidence • text / subtext • Anything else? • applying what you already know • thinking outside the box • running the tests • things to avoid euripides trojan women

  5. Recap and Update Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy?

  6. Analysis • Episode 2 cont. (483) • Spoken: Hecuba, Andromache • Talthybius, Andromache, Astyanax (silent) • Stasimon 2 (491) • 1st destruction of Troy • Episode 3 (493) • Menelaus, Hecuba • Helen, Menelaus, Hecuba • Agon: Helen, Hecuba • Stasimon 3 (501) • Women’s lament • Exodos (503) • Talthybius, Hecuba • Lyric dialogue (kommos): Hecuba, Chorus • Prologue (Signet pp. 460 ff.) • Poseidon, Athena • Lyric monody (464) • Hecuba • Parodos (465) • Choruses in dialogue (kommos) • Episode 1 (468) • Talthybius, Hecuba • Cassandra (lyric monody – frenzied dochmiacs) • Cassandra, Hecuba • Hecuba • Stasimon 1 (480) • Trojan Horse • Episode 2 (481) • Lyric dialogue (kommos): Hecuba, Andromache, Astyanax (silent)

  7. What is Tragic? Previous Euripides’ Trojan Women “Count no one happy till he is dead” (Hec. p. 479) “Fortune is the prey of whims” (Hec. p. 506) “. . . one who falls from happiness to tragedy …” (Andr. p. 484) • Sheer misfortune • Origins, Bacchae • imitation’s power • Plato • imitation’s dangers • Aristotle • imitation’s benefits • Aeschylus-Herington • formula, cycle, suffering, knowledge • Sophoclean pessimism • “Not to be born is best” (OAC) euripides trojan women

  8. Agōn(pp. 494 ff.) — Spectator Sport? Helen’s arguments Hecuba’s arguments Bogus “judgment” Human decision Brazen collaboration • Hecuba’s guilt • as Paris’ mother • Heroic opportunities • Divine compulsion Is that tragic? euripides trojan women

  9. Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) Is Talthybius a monster?

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