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Adams-Ross Debate

Adams-Ross Debate. May 23, 2013 Kingston Springs, TN. Questions for Mr. Ross. What do you do on the sabbath and what passages authorize these activities?

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Adams-Ross Debate

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  1. Adams-Ross Debate May 23, 2013 Kingston Springs, TN

  2. Questions for Mr. Ross • What do you do on the sabbath and what passages authorize these activities? • Where does the New Testament (or Old Testament, for that matter) teach that parts of the Old Covenant were done away with while parts of it were not? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  3. Questions for Mr. Ross • How could the sabbath, according to Exodus 31.17, be a sign between God and Israel if all the other nations were included too? • Why do you insist on keeping the sabbath while not insisting on the penalty for not keeping the sabbath and what passages are used to justify this inconsistency? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  4. Questions for Mr. Ross • In light of Mark 7.18 and Acts 10.9–16, why are those in the Church of God 7th Day for-bidden from eating pork, squirrel, rabbit, catfish, colas, chocolate, and coffee; what passages are used to justify these things; and who decides to choose these laws while leaving animal sacrifices alone? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  5. Proposition • The Scriptures teach that the first day of the week as a day of worship is enjoined on God’s people in this age of the world Affirm: Stan Adams, New Testament Christian Deny: Robert L. Ross, Church of God 7th Day http://www.WordAndSword.com

  6. Proposition Defined • ‘Scriptures’: the Bible, the Old and New Testaments, the word of God • ‘teach’: the word of God says or concludes something, instruct • ‘first day of the week’: Sunday • ‘a day of worship’: certain worship has been ordained for that day http://www.WordAndSword.com

  7. Proposition Defined • ‘enjoined’: commanded, required, binding • ‘God’s People’: Christians • ‘this age of the world’: commonly called Christian age, as opposed to the Patriarchal or Jewish age; the age that began with the reign of Christ on the 1st Pentecost after his resurrection http://www.WordAndSword.com

  8. The Sabbath Under Moses • Exodus 20.8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. • Clearly this day, the seventh day of the week, the sabbath day, was a special day to the Israelites under the Law of Moses • We are not debating this • But, what became of this day in Christ? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  9. Romans 7.1–7 1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath do-minion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  10. Romans 7.1–7 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  11. Romans 7.1–7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  12. Romans 7.1–7 1 … the law … the law … 2 … the law … 4 … the law … 5 … the law … 6 … the law … 7 … the law … the law … the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Q: What is ‘the law’ in this context? A: It clearly includes the 10 Commandments, including the 4th Commandment—‘Remem-ber the sabbath day to keep it holy.’ http://www.WordAndSword.com

  13. Romans 7.1–7 Q: What does Paul say about our relation-ship to ‘the law,’ that includes keeping the sabbath, in Christ? 2 … loosed from the law … 3 … free from that law … 4 … my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law … 6 … now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  14. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 1 Do we begin again to commend our-selves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of com-mendation from you? 2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  15. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  16. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  17. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: http://www.WordAndSword.com

  18. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  19. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 3 … tables of stone … 7 … written and engraven in stones … the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance … 14 … the old testament …. Q: What is Paul discussing in this context? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  20. Exodus 34.29–35 29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him. 30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him. … http://www.WordAndSword.com

  21. Deuteronomy 5.22 22 These words [the 10 Commandments, vv6–21] the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  22. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 3 … tables of stone … 7 … written and engraven in stones … the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance … 14 … the old testament …. Q: What is Paul discussing in this context? A: The 10 Commandments, including ‘Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy’ http://www.WordAndSword.com

  23. 2 Corinthians 3.1–16 Q: What does Paul say about the 10 Com-mandments, that includes keeping the sabbath, in Christ? 6 … the letter killeth … 7 … the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones … 8 … done away … 9 … ministration of condem-nation … 11 … done away … 13 … that which is abolished … 14 … done away in Christ …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  24. Colossians 2.13–17 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespass-es; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross …. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  25. Colossians 2.13–17 Q: What is ‘the handwriting of ordinances’? 16 … therefore … in meat, … drink, … holyday, ... new moon, … sabbath days …. A: Law of Moses, including sabbath cf. Ephesians 2.15, Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of command-ments contained in ordinances …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  26. Colossians 2.13–17 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days …. Q: Where these the weekly sabbaths or some special ‘sabbath feasts’? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  27. 1 Chronicles 23.29–31 Col 2.16: … in meat, or in drink [daily], or … an holyday [yearly], or of the new moon [monthly], or of the sabbath days [weekly] …. 1 Chr 23.29–31: … for meat offering …; And to stand every morning …, and likewise at even [daily]; And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the Lord in the sabbaths [weekly], in the new moons [monthly], and on the set feasts [yearly], … continually before the Lord …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  28. 2 Chronicles 2.4 Col 2.16: … in meat, or in drink [daily], or … an holyday [yearly], or of the new moon [monthly], or of the sabbath days [weekly] …. 2 Chr 2.4: Behold, I build an house to … God, … for the burnt offerings morning and evening [daily], on the sabbaths [weekly], and on the new moons [monthly], and on the solemn feasts [yearly] …. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  29. 2 Chronicles 8.13 Col 2.16: … in meat, or in drink [daily], or … an holyday [yearly], or of the new moon [monthly], or of the sabbath days [weekly] …. 2 Chr 8.13: Even after a certain rate every day [daily], offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths [weekly], and on the new moons [monthly], and on the solemn feasts [yearly], three times in the year, …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

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  31. Colossians 2.13–17 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink [daily], or in respect of an holyday [yearly], or of the new moon [monthly], or of the sabbath days [weekly] …. Q: Where these the weekly sabbaths or some special ‘sabbath feasts’? A: Clearly these are the weekly sabbaths! http://www.WordAndSword.com

  32. Colossians 2.13–17 Q: What does Paul say happened to these commandments, including weekly sabbaths, in Christ? 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, … and took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  33. The Sabbath Under Moses • Exodus 20.8, was a special day to Israelites • So, what became of this day in Christ? • Rom 7, loosed from, freed from, dead to, delivered from • 2 Cor 3, done away, done away, abolished, done away in Christ • Col 2, blotted out, took out of the way, nailed to the cross http://www.WordAndSword.com

  34. Now What? • Clearly the keeping of the sabbath as a special day for God’s people was done away with in Christ • If the sabbath is no longer a special day to God’s people, what day is a special day? • First, let’s consider why the sabbath was special to God’s people of Moses’ age http://www.WordAndSword.com

  35. Deuteronomy 5.12–15 12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shaltlabour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, …. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  36. Deuteronomy 5.12–15 • Q: Why did Moses say the Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbath day? • A: Because the Lord had brought them out of Egypt and delivered them from bondage • Consider this event in its context of Exodus 14–15 http://www.WordAndSword.com

  37. Exodus 14.13, 30 13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever. … 30 Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  38. Exodus 15.13, 16 13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. … 16 Fear and dread shall fall upon them; by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; … O Lord, till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  39. Deuteronomy 5.12–15 • Q: Why did Moses say the Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbath day? • A: Because the Lord had brought them out of Egypt and delivered them from bondage • Consider this event in its context of Exodus 14–15 • A: Because the Lord had saved, redeemed, and purchased them from bondage • Sound familiar? It should http://www.WordAndSword.com

  40. Corresponding Day in NT? • Again, with the sabbath day being removed, is there a corresponding day in the NT? • First, the gospel writers clearly and pains-takingly identify the first day of the week, the day after the sabbath day, our Sunday, as the day in which Jesus was raised from the dead http://www.WordAndSword.com

  41. Matthew 28.1–10 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Mag-dalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. … 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  42. Mark 16.1–9 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magda-lene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, …. 2 …very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchreat the rising of the sun. … 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: …. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, .... 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. … 9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  43. Luke 24.1–10 1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen …. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  44. John 20.1–18 1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, … unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. … 11 … Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12 And seeth two angels … where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? … 14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? … 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. … http://www.WordAndSword.com

  45. Corresponding Day in NT? • First, the gospel writers clearly and pains-takingly identify the first day of the week, the day after the sabbath day, our Sunday, as the day in which Jesus was raised from the dead • After the gospels we then see many references to the resurrection of Jesus http://www.WordAndSword.com

  46. Corresponding Day in NT? • Why was the sabbath special to the Jews? • Deut 5, because the Lord had saved, redeemed, and purchased them from Egyptian bondage • Why is the first day of the week special to those in Christ under the NT? • Gospels, Acts 13; Romans 6; 10, because the Lord was raised on the first day and thereby we can be saved, redeemed, and set free from the bondage of sin; not possible under Law of Moses http://www.WordAndSword.com

  47. Special Days of OT and NT • Exod 20.8, sabbath special day under Moses • Rom 7; 2 Cor 3; Col 2, sabbath removed from being a special day for God’s people • Gospels, Acts 13; Rom 6; 10, first day of the week becomes special day for God’s people • But what about worship on this day? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  48. Acts 20.7 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. http://www.WordAndSword.com

  49. Sabbath and Sunday in Acts • After the sabbath was removed as the special day of God’s people, it is mentioned a few times in Acts • Many days are mentioned in Acts, but only the sabbath day and the first day of the week are specified • Why? What was Luke’s point? http://www.WordAndSword.com

  50. Sabbath and Sunday in Acts • The sabbath day is specified in Acts 13, 17, 18: • It is specified as a day when Jews, not disciples of Christ, assembled • These Jews, not disciples, met in synagogues • Paul did meet with them, but for the purpose of reasoning with them in order to persuade them to become disciples of Christ • Many of these Jews, who met in synagogues on the sabbath, rejected Paul, rejected Christ, and persecuted Christians http://www.WordAndSword.com

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