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Early Treatment: cases

Early Treatment: cases. David Baker & Craig Rodgers East Sydney Doctors ASHM Clinical Advisors. Ron – 2011. 34 year old gay male HIV +ve 2011 CD4 = 570, VL = 102 000 One partner who is HIV +ve Not wanting treatment Otherwise well. Considerations for Ron.

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Early Treatment: cases

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  1. Early Treatment:cases David Baker & Craig Rodgers East Sydney Doctors ASHM Clinical Advisors

  2. Ron – 2011 • 34 year old gay male • HIV +ve 2011 • CD4 = 570, VL = 102 000 • One partner who is HIV +ve • Not wanting treatment • Otherwise well

  3. Considerations for Ron • How hard do we “encourage” treatment • Don’t want to turn Ron away, he need to feel he can continue to come back even if he does not start treatment. People who keep attending clinic end-up on treatment • Work thru benefits and risks: • net harm, toxicities very low less than 1% per year • net benefit, individual benefit not great • prevention, does he have other partners?

  4. Clinical note - Control • For some people with HIV the last area of control is in regard to treatment decisions (same as in other chronic conditions) • MSM may have higher trust issues, and are reported in some cases to have elevated experience of abuse • Irregularity in attendance is an indication of low trust, and associated with failing treatment, establishing trust important

  5. Ron – 2014 • No regular follow-up • Herpes zoster • CD4 = 470 • Starting ARVs

  6. Ron’s Follow-up • Ron returned as soon as he had what he identified as a symptom of HIV • He was then eager to go onto treatment • Ron has commenced treatment

  7. Clinical note – call backs • In general practice clinic attendance is largely driven by the patient • Call back systems exist for some conditions, PAP smear registry, over 50’s health check etc • HIV prescribers can do clinical audit, RACGP accredited, and review patients • Could be timely to conduct call back with all HIV patients not on treatment or all gay men (testing)

  8. Greg - 2013 • 57 year old gay male • HIV +ve 1997 • Long term HIV –ve partner • Reluctant patient – rarely attends • CD4 = 660 • VL undetectable

  9. Considerations for Greg • Greg is an elite controller • Some evidence that virus may get into CNS, but no compulsion to treat to “save brain” • Is he sexually active? • Can you include partner, what does she think? • CVD risk and will be higher because of HIV? • Keep door open to Greg, he may be receptive to treatment if situation changes.

  10. Clinical note – patient choice • There is a risk that Greg will abandon relationship with the clinic if he feels pressured to start treatment and if he starts reluctantly there is a risk of poor adherence • Greg needs to feel it is alright to change his mind at any time and commence treatment • His long-term partner is negative and while there is risk, it seems managed. • Watch and try and encourage regular visits

  11. Jack- 2014 • 62 year old heterosexual male • Long term HIV – ve partner • Otherwise well • CD4 = 718 • VL = 7800

  12. Considerations for Jack • Jack is interested in treatment, but not committed • Raise risk of transmission to partner, treatment will reduce risk of transmission • Older people have a poorer immune reconstitution so he does not want damage • Strongly encourage he start treatment

  13. Clinical note – family situation • Many older people may have grand children and will often take treatment in order to maximise their role with or length of time to enjoy grand children

  14. Jason • 32 year old gay male, single • HIV +ve 2 weeks ago • Has booked 5 month holiday starting in 3 weeks • CD4 = 521 • VL = 4500

  15. Considerations for Jason • Jason really wants to start treatment • His holiday poses an issue: • Patient starting therapy needs to be monitored • Are there options for this, dependent on where he is going, you can seek assistance from ASHM • Some patients access treatment in Australia but reside overseas (PNG, Bali & other postings) • Starting >CD4 500 increases chance of normalising CD4

  16. Clinical note – Time to undetectable • Getting a better handle on when Jason became infected may be useful, his results suggest he is over sero-conversion • Jason needs to understand that treatment will not deliver an immediate undetectable VL, but it is likely to happen relatively soon • Try and get a second CD4 and VL and percentage

  17. Clinical note – Drugs and travel • People who regularly work for periods overseas and are stable on treatment can usually secure drugs for an extended period • There may be issues with dispensing 5 month’s supply to new patient • Depending on where he is going may have reciprocal arrangements • May be able to have drugs collected and sent if tolerable

  18. Clinical note – Sex & holidays • People get HIV when travelling as a function of prevalence & perhaps freedom of being away • A two week gay cruise for singles may pose a different risk from a 5 month working holiday or job relocation • Jason may wanting treatment to facilitate condomless sex. He needs to be counselled to maintain condom use and discuss STI transmission and risks as well as any IDU risk

  19. Peter • 33 year old gay male • HIV +ve 4 months ago in Melbourne • Moving to Sydney • Long term HIV –ve partner • CD4 = 789 • VL = 48000 • Wants trial of natural therapies

  20. Considerations for Peter • Peter is a new patient to you, he may get lost if his views on natural therapies shunned • Has a negative partner so risk of transmission. Need to disucss need for ongoing condom use & no “prevention benefit” of natural therapy • Try and set parameters for monitoring NT • How will we know working • Try for a period of time • Monitor CD4, VL, % and feeling of wellness

  21. Clinical note – involving partner • Involving partners can be useful for some patients • Partners can support treatment decisions

  22. Clinical note: Cultural understandings • Some cultures more affinity with natural therapies • Some cultures have different constructions of health and wellness • Religion may also play a role in decision making, responsibility, pre-determination

  23. Tim • 44 year old gay male • HIV +ve 2 years • Single, multiple partners • CD4 = 620 • VL = 89 000 • Weekend alcohol and crystal binges • Wants to sort out drug problem before

  24. Considerations for Tim • Tim needs to understand obligations about not transmitting HIV • Crystal meth is used by 1 in 5 MSM at least once annually, not exclusionary for treatment • Regular or binge crystal use and/or alcohol will impact compliance for most people • Your knowledge of the patient will be the best determinate of his capacity to manage treatment

  25. Clinical note: Controlling drug use • That Tim is motivated to modify drug use should be maximised • Caution that a cycle does not start, can’t start treatment because D & A not managed v have to stop D & A to have ART could be self- defeating conundrum • Support and possible referral as well as plan for ART commencement • Likely to have continued use in some form

  26. Steve • 26 yr old male, FTE, stable accommodation, Brazilian with Australian residency • HIV positive Sept 2012 (HIV neg May 2012) • Admitted to SVH Aug 2012 with febrile illness but nil HIV test (? Sinusitis) • Possible rUPAI early Aug (2 x CMP in Ibeza) – states nil ejaculation “thought he was being careful”) • CD4 480, HIV VL 38,000

  27. Considerations for Steve • Prevention is a big issue for Steve, he is making assumptions about what is risky • May be unaware of legal obligations and needs to understand that he has risk of transmitting the virus as well as contracting STI • Treatment will assist with this but he should also still be using condoms for sex

  28. Steve • Repeat pathology Oct 2012 • CD4 556 (31%), VL 22,600 • Treatment options were actually discussed at this time but not interested as yet • Also not interested in further counselling / groups – worried about other people knowing about his diagnosis

  29. Considerations for Steve • Steve’s numbers have improved but he needs to understand that these fluctuations are common • Discuss benefits of early treatment reducing immune system damage better reconstitution • He may be more conducive to one-on-one counselling or perhaps to see a psychiatrist if he wants to discuss concerns, this would be totally confidential

  30. Steve • Repeat pathology March 2013 • CD4 535 (21%), VL 63,000 • Seborrhoiec dermatitis, rosacea (Dermatology review) • Rectal and pharyngeal gonococcal PCR positive (states ‘brief’ rUPAI) • Anxious about physical appearance • Concerned he might have lymphadenopathy • Worried that all physical symptoms linked to HIV • Requests to commence treatment

  31. Considerations for Steve • He has acquired HIV relatively recently and that is why his numbers are fluctuating. Try and explain that a CD4 decline will ordinarily lag behind a viral load increase • Revisit risk of transmission and the prevention benefits of treatment also potential legal ramifications if he is having condomless sex, is not on treatment with a viral load and not informing partners of his status. Prudent to document this in his file.

  32. Clinical note: Symptom trigger • For many people the existence of any symptom will be the trigger to commencing treatment. • While this opportunity should be maximised, it is still vital to explain the implications of treatment and the long-term nature of treatment. It can not be stopped with the symptom “goes away”

  33. Stephen – Alternative to Steve • 26 yr old male, same results • Unemployed, Newstart • Currently ‘living with friends’ • Using $50 methamphetamine daily IV • Regular rUPAI

  34. Clinical note: HIV as motivator • Stephen is in a bit of a mess. Can HIV be viewed as a motivator to try and get his life sorted out • His drug use is impacting him financially and he needs to understand that treatment will have costs associated with it as well • He may be accepting of counselling, social work or community support for assistance with housing & possible financial support etc

  35. Clinical note: Prevention • Needs to be made aware of public health issues & vulnerable to legal remedies if: • not informing partners of his status • not using condoms, and • does not have an undetectable viral load • Clinician may be able to provide a reality check & options which may provide support • Referral options will differ by location community agencies may be able to assist

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