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July 5, 2009, Seminar to Christian Pastors in Kathmandu, Nepal

July 5, 2009, Seminar to Christian Pastors in Kathmandu, Nepal. Other Sheep in Nepal. The Bible and . . . Homosexuality. Other Sheep Seminar, Kathmandu, Nepal, July 5, 2009. Created by Rev. Stephen Parelli, Exec Direc of Other Sheep. Other Sheep asks:. 1. 2.

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July 5, 2009, Seminar to Christian Pastors in Kathmandu, Nepal

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  1. July 5, 2009, Seminar to Christian Pastors in Kathmandu, Nepal Other Sheep in Nepal

  2. The Bible and . . . Homosexuality Other Sheep Seminar, Kathmandu, Nepal, July 5, 2009 Created by Rev. Stephen Parelli, Exec Direc of Other Sheep

  3. Other Sheep asks: 1. 2. In what context is homosexuality condemned in the Bible? And does that context apply to same-sex loving couples today?

  4. Chapter II Two NT Greek Words Introduction- The Texts in Question I Corinthians 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10 Part One

  5.  I Corinthians 6:9-10 9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, . . .

  6. nor effeminate, μαλακοι nor abusers of themselves with mankind, αρσενοκοιται I Timothy 1:10 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

  7. μαλακοι nor effeminate malakoi (pl.) malakos (sg.) I Timothy 1:10 nor abusers of themselves with mankind αρσενοκοιται arsenokoitai (pl.) arsenokoites (sg.)

  8. Summary statement – these two words refer to: I Corinthians 6:9-10 and I Timothy 1:10 Gratuitous, flagrant abuses of love μαλακοι αρσενοκοιται Corinth

  9. Chapter II Two NT Greek Words • malakoi μαλακοι- • Why ‘soft’ does not mean ‘homosexual.’ PartTwo

  10. Chapter II Two NT Greek Words malakoi μαλακοι- Its Translation by Modern Bible Versions

  11.  I Corinthians 6:9 μαλακοι

  12.  I Corinthians 6:9 μαλακοι

  13.  I Corinthians 6:9 μαλακοι with footnote ESV Footnote: The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts

  14.  I Corinthians 6:9-10 μαλακοι

  15.  I Corinthians 6:9-10 μαλακοι

  16. Source: The Children Are Free, by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: The Greek word here, rendered “effeminate” by the 1611 KJ translators, means soft. In reference to individual men, “soft” could refer to moral weaknesses in general, or, more specifically, to male prostitution. μαλακοι • Matt 11:8 • But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in softraiment? Behold, they that wear soft clothing are in king’s houses • Here, the reference is to things, not individuals.

  17. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: General Moral Weakness Fearful – A lack of courage; more interested in pleasure than in duty Vain – Preoccupied with making themselves more attractive, “whether they were trying to attract men or women” Self-indulgent – “Laziness, degeneracy, decadence; expensive things, dressing well, over eating” Hence the use of the word “effeminate” (which is intolerable misogynistic thinking) μαλακοι = general moral weaknesses

  18. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: General Moral Weakness Fearful – A lack of courage; more interested in pleasure than in duty Vain – Preoccupied with making themselves more attractive, “whether they were trying to attract men or women” Self-indulgent – “Laziness, degeneracy, decadence; expensive things, dressing well, over eating” Hence the use of the word “effeminate” (which is intolerable misogynistic thinking) μαλακοι = general moral weaknesses

  19. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: General Moral Weakness Fearful – A lack of courage; more interested in pleasure than in duty Vain – Preoccupied with making themselves more attractive, “whether they were trying to attract men or women” Self-indulgent – Laziness, degeneracy, decadence; expensive things, dressing well, over eating Hence the use of the word “effeminate” KJV(which is intolerable misogynistic thinking) μαλακοι = general moral weaknesses

  20. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: Specifically, Male Prostitutes Recent studies suggest this rendering Rendered “male prostitutes” in the NIV and NRSV (widely used modern English translations) Soft = the receptive partner in intercourse (“women like”) Context: Since Paul is listing “sexual sins,” inference may suggest male prostitutes μαλακοι = specifically, male prostitutes

  21. Other Sheep asks: Does this Greek word --μαλακοι – have any bearing on same-sex loving relationships? No! Male prostitution has nothing to do with same-sex love relationships.

  22. Chapter II Two NT Greek Words Arsenokoitaiαρσενοκοιται- What Zues and Naas teach us about homosexuality. • Its Translation by Modern Bible Versions • Five Attempts at Unlocking the • Meaning of this Word Part Three

  23. I Timothy 1:9-10 KJV (v9) The law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless . . . (v10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, . . . I Corinthians 6:9 αρσενοκοιται

  24. Summary statement – these two words refer to: I Corinthians 6:9-10 and I Timothy 1:10 Gratuitous, flagrant abuses of love μαλακοι αρσενοκοιται Corinth

  25. Chapter II Two NT Greek Words arsenokoitai αρσενοκοιται Its Translation by Modern Bible Versions

  26. αρσενοκοιται I Timothy 1:10 I Corinthians 6:9

  27. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  28. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  29. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  30. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  31. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  32. αρσενοκοιται I Corinthians 6:9 I Timothy 1:10

  33. Source: The Children Are Free, by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 16-18 Definition/ Study: Because of its rarity, we can only guess at what the word means. The following leaves us with no final answers: It is a compound word Its usage before Paul Its usage after Paul Its context: It is set in “lists” Its remote possible link to the LXX αρσενοκοιται

  34. Five Attempts at Unlocking the Meaning of this Word • It is a compound word • Its usage before Paul • Its usage after Paul • Its context: It is set in “lists” • Its remote possible link to the LXX

  35. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswell, page 342 Definition/ Study: It is a compound word αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed koitaiκοιται “is a coarse word, generally denoting base or licentious sexual activities; corresponds to the vulgar English word ‘f***er’ ” αρσενοκοιται

  36. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswel, pages 342-244 Definition/ Study: It is a compound word αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed arsenoαρσενo, means male; “its relationship to koitai is ambiguous: If male is the object then αρσενo-κοιται refers to someone who f***ks men or boys If male is adjectival, then αρσενo-κοιται refers to male prostitutes who take the “active role with either men or women.” αρσενοκοιται

  37. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswel, pages 342-243 Definition/ Study: It is a compound word αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed “The claim that this word ‘obviously’ means ‘homosexual’ defies linguistic evidence and common sense.” αρσενοκοιται • The definition of a compound word is not ‘obviously’ known by the definition of its root word components. For example:

  38. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswel, pages 342-343 Definition/ Study: A compound word is not ‘obviously’ known by its root word components: Pyro[fire]mania = obsession with fire [pyro-‘fire’ is the object of ‘mania’] Nympho[bride]mania = obsession with men [nympho-’bride’ is adjectival and describes ‘mania’]; --nymphomania does not mean obsession with women [nympho-’bride’ would have to be the object of ‘mania’] αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed Compare and Contrast These Compound Words:

  39. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswel, pages 342 Definition/ Study: To further illustrate “the inadequacy of lexicographical inference” when “unsupported by contextual evidence:” What does “lady killer” mean? A lady who kills? or Someone who kills a lady? or “wolf” or “Don Juan” This “largely unrelated meaning is actually the most common sense of the term” αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed What is the Correct Meaning to this “Compound” Phrase?

  40. Source: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosex-uality, by John Boswel, pages 342-243 Definition/ Study: It is a compound word αρσενo-κοιται = male-bed “The claim that this word ‘obviously’ means ‘homosexual’ defies linguistic evidence and common sense.” αρσενοκοιται • The definition of a compound word is not ‘obviously’ known by the definition of its root word components. Our Findings

  41. Five Attempts at Unlocking the Meaning of this Word • It is a compound word • Its usage before Paul • Its usage after Paul • Its context: It is set in “lists” • Its remote possible link to the LXX

  42. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 19, 26 Definition/ Study: Its usage before Paul “There are no known instances before Paul.” αρσενοκοιται Our Findings: No known usages before Paul

  43. Five Attempts at Unlocking the Meaning of this Word • It is a compound word • Its usage before Paul • Its usage after Paul • Its context: It is set in “lists” • Its remote possible link to the LXX

  44. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 19, 26 Definition/ Study: Its usage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700) “Scholars have identified only 73 times this term is used in thesix centuries after Paul.” αρσενοκοιται Go to this website for all the instances and derivates Its usage after Paul • So what can we learn? http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/arsenok.htm

  45. Source: The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley, pages 19, 26 Definition/ Study: Its usage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700) “In virtually every instance the term appears in a list of sins (like Paul’s) without any story line or other context to shed light on its meaning.” αρσενοκοιται “There are a few helpful exceptions.” • So what can we learn?

  46. Arisites, Apology 13, Fragmenta 12,9-13.5.4 The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tylor Connoley, pages 20,26 Zeus and Ganymede “The term is used by a Greek author when cataloguing the sins of the Greek gods” αρσενοκοιταιItsusage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700)

  47. Arisites, Apology 13, Fragmenta 12,9-13.5.4 The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tylor Connoley, pages 20,26 Zeus and Ganymede αρσενοκοιταιItsusage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700) “In this context the term is probably intended to refer to the time Zeus abducted and raped a young boy, Ganymede.”

  48. In the form of an eagle, Zeus came down and seized the young beautiful boy Ganymede and carried him off by force to make him his lover and cupbearer. carried him off by force to make him his lover and cupbearer

  49. Hippolytus’ Refutatio chapter 5. The Children Are Free by Jeff Miner and John Tylor Connoley, pages 20,26 Naas and Adam According to Greek legend, Naas (the name given to the snake in the garden once it became a Satanic figure) commits “adultery” with Adam. Cf. J.Townsley αρσενοκοιταιItsusage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700)

  50. Hippolytus’ Refutatio chapter 5. “Search for God’s Heart and Truth” by Jeramy Townsley Naas and Adam According to Hippolytus, it is by this act of “adultery” that arsenokoites enters into the world. Hippolytus relates Naas and Adam back to Zeus and Ganymede. ΑρσενοκοιταιItsusage after Paul (AD 100-AD 700)

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