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802.24 Vertical Applications TAG

802.24 Vertical Applications TAG. November 2017 Meeting Orlando, FL, USA. 802.24 Overview. Officers TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey 802.24.2 IoT TG Chris DiMinico 34 Voting Members

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802.24 Vertical Applications TAG

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  1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG November 2017 Meeting Orlando, FL, USA Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  2. 802.24 Overview • Officers • TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey • Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe • Task Groups • 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey • 802.24.2 IoT TG Chris DiMinico • 34 Voting Members • Agenda: 24-17-0024-01-0000 • Meetings for the Week • Monday PM2 24.1 • Tuesday PM2 24.2 • Wednesday PM2 24.1 4:00 with 802.19, 5:00 802.1 TSN • Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members

  3. Agenda – 802.24-17-0024r1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  4. Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. • Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. • Technical considerations remain primary focus • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. • --------------------------------------------------------------- • See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

  5. Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings • All participation in IEEE 802 Working Group meetings is on an individual basis • •     Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) • •    IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (http://ieee802.org/PNP/approved/IEEE_802_WG_PandP_v19.pdf section 4.2.1) • You have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. Your obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. • You shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and http://ieee802.org/PNP/approved/IEEE_802_WG_PandP_v19.pdf section 3.4.1, list item x • By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate.

  6. Administration • Attendance take on IMAT • Reciprocal rights for most WGs • Web page • http://www.ieee802.org/24 • Mailing list • stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org • 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list) • Document archive • http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents • IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org • Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the • following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802-all end Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  7. Monday: 802.24 TAG • Approve September minutes • 24-17-0027r0 • TAG Action Items from July / September: • Plan TSN teleconference (October) • Did not happen – pick up at this meeting • Coordinate with Wael on Wi-Fi Alliance Liaison • Review IoT MSTG Use Case Document (Henry Chiarelli) • Set up Private Area for exchanging documents under Liaison (done) Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  8. Coordination with Industry Connections: • Regularly examine (or liaison with) IC Committee to determine if we want to be involved with any existing IC activities. • Plan of action: Check in by email regularly (before plenary meetings) on status with the IC Committee • Ongoing Activity: IEEE 802 Network Enhancements Industry Connections Activity • Tuesday 7:30pm • New IC Activity in Orlando: • None known Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  9. Monday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  10. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items • From September: FCC NOI 17-104. • FCC stated goal is to promote flexible use of spectrum • Part of subject bands may be in use by utilities for smart grid applications now • Input requested: participate in 802.18 to shape 802 response • Any follow-up action for 802.24? • NOI for 3.6 is past now. 802.18 made an FCC submission. • We need to hear from 802.18 – what is the scope and intent of our contribution? • Separate filings from 802.11 and 802.15 • No action required from 802.24 • Follow up on 802.18 engagement in FCC TAC Technical Advisory Committee Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  11. IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities Committee • Purpose: • “Within the IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities  Committee, we are writing a White paper on smart metering. The focus of this white paper will be on the deployed comms standards, from power line, to wireless cellular to meshed networking to whatever…” • Ongoing calls series on two activities: • Smart Meter Survey • White Paper • New chair: Satish Saini • Program Manager at Hydro One • Opportunities for TAG to engage? • Contribute to survey? • Contribute to White Paper? • No interest in pursuing Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  12. Finalize PAP2 Wireless Matrix • Current Status: • Latest version 802.24-17-0004r6 • Pinged 802.11 last week for spectrum efficiency values • Osama will review with 802.11ax group • SEPA/SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update • 802.24 output will provide update for 802 standards • Other standards’ contributors may provide additional updates Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  13. SEPA/SGIP update WG • Membership (established by SEPA) • Tim Godfrey EPRI • Ron Cunningham AEP • Doug Gray TCS • Bill Godwin Duke Energy • Matt Gilmore Itron • Gerald Gray EPRI • Planning first call next week, Nov 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  14. Publicizing White Paper Releases • Procedure for back end of white papers established in July: • Share white papers directly with Jonathan. • Request IEEE-SA Marketing, social media, Newsletters, • In process – releasing of Sub-1GHz White Paper Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  15. Sub 1 GHz Publishing • IEEE staff (Catherine Berger) has edited our final draft and provided proposed revisions • 24-16-0036-00-0000-sub-1-ghz-white-paper_TAGreview1 • Posted as 24-17-0029r0 • TAG action: Review and approve • Edited version in 24-16-0036-01-0000-sub-1-ghz-white-paper_TAGreview1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  16. 802.11 AANI SC • Discussion in 802.11 AANI SC • Advanced Access Network Interface Standing Committee • Response to IEEE 5G white paper • https://5g.ieee.org/images/files/pdf/ieee-5g-roadmap-white-paper.pdf • AANI wants to generate a response • Key question: • Is 802.11 (and more broadly IEEE 802) going to be more than a “component” of future networks that are controlled by 3GPP? • Would 802.24 participants like to contribute (assuming 802.11 also contributes) if an all-802 response and white paper content is requested? • No objection Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  17. TSN white paper • Version after initial merge of Norm Finn contribution • 802.24-17-0006r9 • Norm’s text in purple • Challenge is reducing excellent content to more manageable size for this white paper. • Volunteer for document Editor? Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  18. TSN Utility Use Cases • Preparation for Wednesday Joint Meeting with 802.1 • Further editing of first section describing utility use cases Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  19. Future Opportunities Tracking • At plenary meetings – review upcoming needs and opportunities for 802.24 projects. Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  20. Future Opportunities Tracking (.1) • Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802.24? Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  21. Future Opportunities Tracking (.2) • 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413? • Maybe more towards completion of P2413? • Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards. • Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards. • Discuss in Tuesday session of 802.24.2 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  22. Future Opportunities Tracking • 802.15.12 ULI • Incorporating features from 802.15.9 RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard • Some other areas of potential interest • Still in proposal phase (maybe pre-ballot in Jan 2018) • Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including 802.15 • 802.15.4s SMR – spectrum management resources • Can 802.24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT? • IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy • ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems • ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum. • Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS • September Notes: • EC approval to go to RevCom. • May be useful for dynamic radio management identified by utilities as import for future network deployments • 4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used • White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished. • Including use of metrics for management. Cross-standard application of metrics • Dynamic adaptability of 802.15.4 networks in the same spectrum as other 802 standards • Compare and contrast with link adaptation in other 802 standards Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  23. Other Future Opportunities • Monitor the LPWAN IG in 802.15 to see where it goes (and links to IETF) • Starting SG – amendment to 802.15.4, utilizing pieces for LPWAN • An 802-based alternative to proprietary LPWAN’s • See where IG-DEP goes. • Many use cases presented already covered by 802 standards • Potential application in utility networks for extremely hard to reach endpoints • Extremely low power use cases may be of interest to utility applications • Participation required to steer to useful work • Applying new bands and channel plans • 802.15.4u and 802.15.4v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing 802.15.4 PHYs commonly used in smart grid. • IG on OFDM – • Amendment for 802.15.4: Filling the blanks in the OFDM PHY. PAR in March, TG meeting in March/May. • Action: • Late 2018: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of 802.15.4 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  24. Tuesday 802.24.2IoT TG Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  25. Tuesday: 802.24.2 • 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report • Wael Diab • IIC Liaison Report • Any new liaison requests • Request to explore liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Group. • 802.24 will initiate the liaison request • Action Wael – draft a formal liaison statement with areas of collaboration and exchange. • Suggested: IoT Market Segment Task Group • Challenges – information exchange will need to be cleared of default confidentiality of WFA documents. Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  26. 802.24 Private Area • Drafts and other documents provided under liaison agreements are available here: • http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/24/private/ The P2413 draft is currently available there • For access credentials, please contact the 802.24 Chair or Vice-chair Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  27. 802.24.2 • P2413 Liaison Report and Draft Review • Ludwig Winkel • Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper • Can be use to explain to the 802 community how 802 fits into the overall IoT architecture Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  28. 802.24.2 • Review and plan IoT white paper development • Chris DiMinico • Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft • Contributions towards IoT White Paper • Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Use Case Document Review Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  29. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG802.1 TSN Joint Working Session Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  30. Update on TSN white paper • Notes from July: • Leads for developing text contributions: • Janos Farkas – section on “Describe how TSN works” • Maik Seewald – section on “Understand IEC 61850 activities and relationships” • Karl Weber – section on DER and stabilizing networks with reactive power control. • Rodney Cummings – “how TSN features make use of time sync protocols” • Updated version after initial merge of Norm Finn contribution • 802.24-17-0006r10 • Norm’s text in purple • “How it works”, “Appendix 1 – Standards Summary” • Maik’s text contribution re-inserted • Challenge is reducing excellent content to more manageable size for this white paper. • Document contribution from Rodney Cummings • TBD Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  31. Next Steps • Continue merging and condensing content from Norm Finn • Merge content related to time synchronization • Other text contributions from 802.1 TSN? • Review IETF DetNet use cases – incorporate others as appropriate • Teleconference in January • January Interim not all-802. • Another updating cycle before March plenary? • 802.1 interim is Jan 22-26. • Plan on call week of Jan 29 (follow up and announce on reflect) • Avoid Tuesday and Thursday mid-day EST Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  32. 802.24 TAG closing • Action Items from this meeting • Plan TSN teleconference • Forward reviewed Sub-1GHz white paper for publishing • Any New Business? Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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