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The Abbey School

The Abbey School. CAO Information Evening October 19 th 2016 7.30pm Eddie McGrath & Conor Hayes. Agenda. Applicants' Responsibilities General points regarding the CAO. Entry Requirements and the Points System. Making an application. How places are allocated by CAO

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The Abbey School

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  1. The Abbey School CAO Information Evening October 19th 2016 7.30pm Eddie McGrath & Conor Hayes

  2. Agenda • Applicants' Responsibilities • General points regarding the CAO. • Entry Requirements and the Points System. • Making an application. • How places are allocated by CAO • After submitting the application. • Other Options • Questions

  3. It is the applicants’ responsibility to: • Research thoroughly all the courses for which he is making an application. • Be au fait with all aspects of the application system used (CAO) for these courses, i.e., procedures, dates, fees, rules, etc.

  4. Useful ResourcesTo assist with course research / application Publications • College Prospectuses – 2017 Entry • CAO Handbook 2017 Newspapers • The Irish Times • Tuesdays Education Section • January Special College Supplement Series of articles - Brian Mooney • The Independent • Careers Articles - Mary O Donnell

  5. Internet • Qualifax – www.qualifax.ie Irish courses database • CAO – www.cao.ie Contains links to course websites • Careersportal – www.careersportal.ie • College websites (Addresses in CAO Handbook) People • Relatives • Past pupils • Admissions/Academic staff of colleges Guidance Counsellor • Interest Inventories / Guidance interviews • Access to sources of information • Appointments for parents

  6. CAO – General Info. • Centralised application system for Irish 3rd level institutions, including 5 fee-paying colleges. • Every 6th year should now have a CAO Application Pack which includes: • 2017 CAO Handbook – application and course information • Paper application form Application fee bank giro form • Application Dates and Fees

  7. 2017 Application Dates & Fees

  8. HEAR Apply by 1st March 2017 Evidence in support of application by 1st April 2017 www.accesscollege.ie

  9. DARE Supplementary Information Form Apply by 1st March 2017 Completion of Parts B & C by 1st April 2017

  10. Filling In Courses • From 2006 there are 3 types of courses students can apply for under the Nat. Qualifications Framework. • These are applied for on 2 separate lists on a single form: • The courses are clearly labelled in the CAO Handbook • N.B. – Care must be taken with courses marked ‘Restricted’. • These courses cannot be applied for after February 1st due to extra assessments required.

  11. ENTRY REQUIREMENTSThese must be satisfied before “points” are considered. Minimum Entry Requirements E.g. UCD • Pass 6 subjects • At least 2 H5 • Pass in: • Irish • English • Another Language • Mathematics* • Science Subject* Specific Subject Requirements E.g. Engineering(UCD) • H4 Maths Veterinary Medicine(UCD) • H5 Chemistry Law & French(UCD) • H3 French If all Entry Requirements are met  applicant is deemed ‘Qualified’ to apply.

  12. POINTS SYSTEEM Generally in the CAO system No. of qualified applicants > No. of course places --> selection system is needed. Selection system used in Irish 3rd Level Colleges is POINTS SYSTEM • Points are calculated from ONE sitting of the Leaving Certificate only. • Points total is calculated from SIX best subjects • 25 bonus points are awarded for Honours Leaving Cert Maths • Entry Requirements can be satisfied over more than one sitting of the Leaving Certificate

  13. POINTS ALLOCATION: 2016 GradeHonoursOrdinary A1 100 60 A2 90 50 B1 85 45 B2 80 40 B3 75 35 C1 70 30 C2 65 25 C3 60 20 D1 55 15 25 EXTRA POINTS D2 50 10 Hons Maths D3 45 5 LCVP Points Distinction 70 Merit 50 Pass 30

  14. POINTS ALLOCATION: 2017 GradeHonoursOrdinaryGrade % H1/O1 100 56 90-100 H2/O2 88 46 80-89 H3/O3 77 37 70-79 H4/O4 66 28 60-69 H5/O5 56 20 50-59 H6/O6 46 12 40-49 H7/O7 37 0 30-39 H8/08 0 0 0-29

  15. POINTS ALLOCATION: 2017 Higher Maths – Bonus Points Students who achieve grade H6 or above in Higher Level Maths will be awarded 25 Bonus Points LCVP Points • Distinction 66 • Merit 46 • Pass 28

  16. Making an application • Applications can be made online or by paper form – use one method only. Always keep proof of sending application: online – print screen receipt, paper – obtain certificate of post. • Form is very straight forward to fill out. • www.cao.ie **VERY IMPORTANT** • Students must fill out both course lists in: Genuine Order of Preference • They should not put down courses on the basis of their predictions of next year’s cut off points or their own points scores. • Why? – Look at how places are allocated.

  17. Applicant Position Applicant Position Points Score Points Score Science – UCD 100 places to be offered Course Merit Lists Science – Maynooth 100 places to be offered 1 560 1 560 2 535 2 535 3 525 3 525 4 520 4 520 5 510 5 510 6 510 6 510 7 505 7 505 8 500 8 500 9 490 9 490 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 15 455 15 455 16 445 16 445 17 440 17 440 18 435 18 435 19 420 19 420 20 410 20 410 21 405 21 405 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 98 340 98 345 99 335 99 340 100 330 100 335 101 325 101 335 102 315 102 335 103 310 103 315 104 305 104 310 105 295 105 305 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 182 265 182 265  Last place to be filled  Random Selection to be used Course Cut Off Points = 330 Course Cut Off Points = 335*

  18. A Students Course Preferences - Example All Lower Preference Courses Disappear From Students’ Preferences Students Points Total = 445 Cut Off Points for Course NO NO YES YES NO YES NO YES YES YES

  19. ROUND 2 7 round one places not accepted 3 round one places not accepted  Last place to be filled - Round 1  Last place to be filled – Round 1  Last place to be filled - Round 2  Last place to be filled - Round 2 Round 2 cut off points - 455 Round 2 cut off points - 460

  20. So – what is the best way to fill in the courses? Dream Courses Realistic Courses Safety Net

  21. Places Allocation Note: • The exact same procedure takes place for both lists on the form, hence students may get 2 offers in August – one from each list, but may accept only one. • Students should think carefully about not accepting one of these offers, as they may not receive any further offers. • Regardless of whether or not they accept a course in round 1, they will still be offered a higher preference course in subsequent rounds if they become entitled one.

  22. After Making Application • Receive CAO number and Statement of Course Choices – check this carefully. • Some students may be called for extra assessments. • Change of Mind facility becomes available • Leaving Cert. Results are sent to CAO. • Places are allocated and offered by post and online. • Students accept, reject or defer offered places. • Further rounds of offers are made until all course places are filled.

  23. UCAS • Applications to UK • www.ucas.com • Apply system • Max 5 courses not listed in any order • Personal Statement • Academic Reference • 15th October 2016 (Some courses) • 15th January 2017 • Course place offers before results

  24. Other Options • Apprenticeships • PLC • Directly to Employment • Teagasc • www.apprentices.ie

  25. Post Leaving Certificate Courses (P.L.C.) • After the Leaving Cert. • Full time. Consists of: • Practical Vocational Skills • Academic Work • Work Experience

  26. P.L.C. - Value • Improve skills in preparation for college, e.g. art portfolio • Alternative route to CAO • Year out from intensive academic work • Some courses only in P.L.C. system –e.g. music management

  27. P.L.C. – Sample Courses • Business / Marketing • Information Technology • Pre-Nursing • Mechanics • Engineering • Science • Social Studies • Animation

  28. Application Process • Direct to VEC colleges – Feb/March • No points – pass Leaving Certificate • Interview to determine interest Cost: Registration Fee – varies Maintenance Grant available

  29. Qualifications • Most PLC courses certified by FETAC • Option of transferring to Diploma or Degree courses in Ireland And UK • Progression is through Higher Education Links Scheme – over 1,000 places reserved for PLC students

  30. Grants • SUSI Student Universal Support Ireland • Applications made on line through • www.susi.ie • www.studentfinance.ie • Apply as early as possible • Grant covers approved courses in Ireland and UK and other EU states • All courses must be full time

  31. Grants - continued • Income for the year prior to starting college • Number of dependent children

  32. Useful Websites • www.cao.ie • www.qualifax.ie • www.careersportal.ie • www.careersnews.ie

  33. Thank you for your attention!

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