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Does The Run Score?

Does The Run Score?. A look at the new Rules approved at the 2009 ISF Congress in relation to Force Out Appeal Plays. The following presentation will assist in explaining. The Past 2005 - 2009 Rules The Scoring of Runs - Rule 8 Sec 5b Force Out – Definition - Rule 1 Sec 35

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Does The Run Score?

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  1. Does The Run Score? A look at the new Rules approved at the 2009 ISF Congress in relation to Force Out Appeal Plays SAL does the run score presentation v1.2

  2. The following presentation will assist in explaining • The Past 2005 - 2009 Rules • The Scoring of Runs - Rule 8 Sec 5b • Force Out – Definition - Rule 1 Sec 35 • The New Rules • The Scoring of Runs (Stays as Rule 8 Sec 5b) • Force Out – Definition (Stays as Rule 1 Sec 35) • An Example of the Existing Rule • Examples of the New Rule (Time of Appeal) • Simple • More Advanced

  3. The past 2005 Ruling(The Scoring of Runs on Appeal Plays) Rule 5 Sec 8b 2 A run shall NOT be scored if the third out of the inning is a result of; A runner being forced out (including on an appeal play) due to the batter becoming a batter-runner

  4. Under the change adopted at the ISF Congress, “When An Appeal Is Made” This rule becomes Rule 5 Sec 8b 2 A run shall NOT be scored if the third and/or last out of the inning is a result of; A runner being forced out (including on an appeal play) due to the batter becoming a batter-runner EXCEPTION If, prior to an appeal play on a forced runner for missing a base, a succeeding forced runner is called out, thereby removing the force situation, the ruling on the appealed runner becomes a ‘Time Play’. This ruling would then be judged at the time of the appeal, rather than at the time of the infraction, so any runner who had scored PRIOR to the appeal MAY count.

  5. The past rule as we have always known it. (Definition of Force Out) Rule 1 Sec 35 – FORCE OUT A force-out is an out which can be made only when a runner loses the right to the base which he is occupying, because the batter becomes a batter-runner and before the batter-runner, or a succeeding runner, has been put out.

  6. New Rules – By Definition Rule 1 Sec 35 – FORCE OUT A force-out is an out which can be made only when a runner loses the right to the base which he is occupying, because the batter becomes a batter-runner and before the batter-runner, or a succeeding runner, has been put out. On an appeal play the force out is determined by the force situation at the time the appeal is made; NOT at the time of the infraction.

  7. What does this mean? An awareness of the Situation in event of possible Appeal • How Many Out? • Was There An Out On A Succeeding Forced Runner Prior To The Appeal? • If So, Then The Appeal Play Becomes A “Time Play” • Did Run Score Before Appeal Out Made?

  8. Does the run score? Let’s Look At Some Examples

  9. Example of Force Out Appeal(Existing Rule) Two Out R1 on 3rd and R2 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F8, as R1 scores on the hit and R2 advances to 3rd, but in doing so misses second base B5 remains at 1st The defence now appeal the missed base – and the appeal is upheld Does the run score? Appeal

  10. Example of Force Out Appeal(Existing Rule) Continued NO – At the time of the infraction R2 was forced by B5, so the third out was a force out Appeal

  11. Example 1 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Two Out R1 on 3rd and R2 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F8, as R1 scores on the hit and R2 advances to 3rd, but in doing so misses second base B5 remains at 1st Defence now appeal the missed base – the appeal is upheld Does the run score? Appeal

  12. Example 1 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Continued NO – At the time of the appeal R2 was forced by a succeeding player (B5) who is not yet out so the third out remains a force out Appeal

  13. Example 2 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Two Out R1 on 3rd , R2 on 2nd & R3 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F9, as both R1 & R2 score on the hit but in doing so R2 misses 3rd as R3 advances to 3rd B5, after rounding 1st is subsequently tagged out for the third out The defence now appeal for R2 missing 3rd in an attempt to remove the run of R1 – the appeal is upheld Does the run of R1 count? Appeal

  14. Example 2 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Yes Although it is legal to make a 4th out appeal to remove a run, in this instance the run of R1 would count Why? At the time of the appeal, the force situation that applied at the time of the infraction by R2 (because B5 became a batter-runner) was removed when B5 was tagged out Therefore, the appeal became a “Time Play” with R1 scoring before the appeal

  15. Example 3 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Two Out R1 on 3rd, R2 on 2nd & R3 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F7, as both R1 & R2 score on the hit but in doing so R1 misses home. R3 attempts to reach home and B5 stops at 2nd R3, in sliding to home plate, is subsequently tagged out for the third out The defence now appeal for R1 missing home plate in an attempt to remove the run of R2 – appeal upheld Does the run of R2 count? Appeal

  16. Example 3 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change No The appeal on R1 is legal. It results in a 4th out, as it may be made to remove a run Why doesn’t the run of R2 count? At the time of the appeal the force situation that was in place at the time of the infraction (R1 missing home) was removed, thereby making it a “Time Play”. However, the run of R2 would not count in this case as a run may not score if the last (fourth) out was a preceding runner (R1)

  17. Example 4 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Two Out R1 on 3rd , R2 on 2nd & R3 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F7, as both R1 & R2 score on the hit but in doing so R2 misses home. R3 attempts to reach home and B5 stops at 2nd R3, in sliding to home plate, is subsequently tagged out for the third out The defence now appeal for R2 missing home plate in an attempt to remove the run of R1 – appeal upheld Does the run of R1 count? Appeal

  18. Example 4 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Yes Although the 4th out appeal is legally made in an attempt to remove the run, the run of R1 would still count in this case Why? At the time of R2 missing home plate a force existed by virtue of B5 becoming a B/R, but at the time of the appeal the force no longer existed due to a succeeding forced runner (R3) being tagged out beyond the base to which he was forced This made the appeal play a “Time Play”, with R1 having scored before the appeal

  19. One Out Example 5 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change R1 on 3rd , R2 on 2nd & R3 on 1st B5 hits safely to deep F7 as all runners score on the hit but in doing so R3 misses 2nd F7, in an attempt to make an out at the plate throws wildly so B5 rounds 3rd and tries to make it home F2 recovers the ball and tags B5 at the plate for the 2nd out In an attempt to negate the 3 runs F4 appeals for R3 missing 2nd and the appeal is upheld for the 3rd out Do the runs of R1 & R2 count? Appeal

  20. Example 5 of Force Out Appeal After Rule Change Yes Why? R3 is the 3rd out of the inning on the appeal but B5 was put out (2nd out) BEFORE the appeal As B5 was a succeeding forced runner put out beyond the base to which he was forced, the appeal play became a “Time Play”, with the runs scoring before the 3rd out was made

  21. Let’s Now See If You Understand The Changes? The Situation Bases Loaded With One Out Batter (B4) Hits A Home Run R2 Misses Third & R3 Misses Second An Appeal Is Made At Third (Upheld) Appeal Then Made At Second (Also Upheld) How Many Runs Score?

  22. Answer 1 run scores (R1) He scored prior to both appeals, so it was a “Time Play” – not a force out B4 does not score He was a succeeding runner who cannot score when a preceding (R3) is the third, or last, out

  23. This completes Presentation Good Luck With Your Umpiring Endeavours Softball Australia would like to acknowledge the contribution of Alan McAuliffe to this presentation

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