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Linking Future Value with Current Value

Part I. Linking Future Value with Current Value. By Kevin Gillogly HDIC Education Segment March 14, 2005. Reasons Most People Fail in the Stock Market. They Invest in Companies They Don’t Understand They Don’t Know How to Value a Stock They Pay Too Much.

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Linking Future Value with Current Value

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  1. Part I Linking Future Value with Current Value By Kevin Gillogly HDIC Education Segment March 14, 2005 www.bivio.com/hdic

  2. Reasons Most People Fail in the Stock Market • They Invest in Companies They Don’t Understand • They Don’t Know How to Value a Stock • They Pay Too Much www.bivio.com/hdic

  3. Linking Current Value & Future Value • Current Value is _______? • Future Value is based on ________? • Knowing these two terms is a simple, yet effective way, to protect yourself from overpaying for a stock • Value of Classic’s Stock Wizard • Use red alerts to guide you www.bivio.com/hdic

  4. Stock Valuation Is a method of directly connecting the stock price to the company’s profits (EPS), and is expressed as a ratio of price to EPS. • P/E Ratio = Stock Price / EPS • Wall Street’s way of measuring the value of the growth of the company www.bivio.com/hdic

  5. Price Follows Earnings WAG The price need not grow at the same rate as the earnings. When EPS advances the price will almost always advance. www.bivio.com/hdic

  6. Section 3 for Walgreens EPS growth has been around 17%. Which of the high P/E’s are reasonable? Which of the low P/E’s are reasonable? www.bivio.com/hdic

  7. “Companies … with long records of above average growth tend to sell at higher P/Es, but their highs are usually not sustainable.” -- Handbook, 130 www.bivio.com/hdic

  8. Stages of Growth First things first. What type of growth is this company? Use the SSG graph to help determine (but use your judgment too) … • A fast growth company? • > 20%, looks like peaks of a MT • A stalwart growth company? • > 10 & < 15%, looks like foothills of MTS • A slow growth company? • < 7%, looks like topographical map of DE • A cyclical company? • Erratic growth, looks like the polygraph of a liar www.bivio.com/hdic

  9. Stages of Growth Large dividends (Payout ratio >40%) No dividends Small dividends (Payout ratio <20%) www.bivio.com/hdic

  10. Where do sales come from? Sales are the dollars that flow into the company. It is what drives the growth of the company. It can come from: • Selling more of a product or service • Making it better • New uses for it • Increasing demand for it • Charging more for the product or service; • Increasing market share • Make it better/New uses/Increase demand • Acquiring competitors • Acquire unrelated businesses www.bivio.com/hdic

  11. Where do earnings come from? Earnings is what remains after expenses and taxes. It can go to: • the owners (dividends) • pay off debt (loans, bonds) • be used to grow the company (equity) • Improve company operations • Acquire new companies www.bivio.com/hdic

  12. “Buy the rights stocks at the wrong price at the wrong time and you’ll suffer great losses.” Peter Lynch, One Up On Wall Street, Pg. 72. www.bivio.com/hdic

  13. Applying Judgment • Be reasonably conservative • But not everywhere in the SSG • And not all the time • Remember our goal is purchase stocks not hoard cash • Be more aggressive on your future EPS growth (Sec. 1-4) • Save your conservatism for your future P/Es (Sec. 4A and 4B) • Link 1-4 with 4A www.bivio.com/hdic

  14. More Stock Valuation Another method of stock valuation: • PE/G Ratio = PE Ratio / Future EPS Growth Rate • Wall Street’s way of measuring the value of the earnings of the company www.bivio.com/hdic

  15. Using the PE/G Ratio • P/E ratio divided earnings growth • PE/G ratio of 1 = fairly valued; • PE/G ratio of 2 = overvalued; • PE/G ratio 1.5 = upper limit of fairly valued • PE/G ratio under 1 = on sale • WAG has a PEG ratio of 1.75 • Current P/E of 29.6 divided by historic earnings growth of 16.9 • How is WAG valued? • What would be a fair future high P/E value for WAG based on 16.9% EPS growth? Answer: 25.4 www.bivio.com/hdic

  16. Linking Current Value & Future Value • Forecasting a high P/E (4A) no higher than 1.5 times (150%) of your future EPS growth on the front of the SSG (1-4) allows for the P/E to expand towards 200%. • Expanding P/Es is how to make money. • Conversely, a P/E that shrinks (or contracts) is a sure fire way to lose money. www.bivio.com/hdic

  17. Using PE/G Ratio, Pt. 3 A high P/E of 46.2 / 15% future EPS growth = a PE/G ratio 3.08. To make $107.72 in 5 years time WAG would have to become severely overvalued. Is this realistic? www.bivio.com/hdic

  18. Linking Current Value & Future Value • This allows us to test the reasonableness of our estimated EPS growth vs. our estimated PEratios • Sect. 4A ties high P/Es in Sect. 3with our future earnings growth in Sect. 1-4 www.bivio.com/hdic

  19. Projected P/E for WAG www.bivio.com/hdic

  20. Setting Up Projected P/Es www.bivio.com/hdic

  21. Projected P/E for WAG This gives us another way to value P/Es. To learn more: Classic Manual, pg. 98 www.bivio.com/hdic

  22. Another Way to Determine Future Value • Add future P/Es along with future EPS growth • WAG has a projected P/E of 25.6 divided by future earnings growth of 15.0 for a PEG ratio of 1.71 • How does this change WAG’s valued? Answer: No matter which metric we use WAG is overvalued using the SSG. This is not surprising for a well managed company with consistent EPS growth. www.bivio.com/hdic

  23. Conclusion • Look at the graph is it steady and growing? • Compare EPS growth with Divided Payout Ratio (Sec. 3-G-7) • Are dividends growing faster than EPS? • That would be “pink” flag • Link future value (Sec. 1-4) with the current value (Sec. 3-9) • Reasonableness (of this link) is found in Sec. 4-A (future high PE) • Limit 4-A (future high PE) to no more than 150% of 1-4 (future EPS) • Test the reasonableness of your judgments www.bivio.com/hdic

  24. Questions www.bivio.com/hdic

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