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History & The Bible

History & The Bible. September 9, 2008 Joel Lampe. Quick Review – Is There Free Will. Confucius *** Without Punishment, People Are Afraid To Move Hand Or Foot – No Free Will Buddha *** 8 Fold Path Out of Ignorance - No Free Will Socrates *** There Is No Free Will

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History & The Bible

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  1. History & The Bible September 9, 2008 Joel Lampe

  2. Quick Review – Is There Free Will • Confucius *** • Without Punishment, People Are Afraid To Move Hand Or Foot – No Free Will • Buddha *** • 8 Fold Path Out of Ignorance - No Free Will • Socrates *** • There Is No Free Will • Free Will Is Ignorance / Self Idolatry • If / Then Eliminates Free Will

  3. Today’s Theme • “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis”

  4. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • To Truly Understand Free Will – Someone Will Have To Volunteer. • Thanks David Byrd

  5. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Socrates Argues • “If Free Will Then You Are God” • If You Think You Have Free Will Then You Think You Are God

  6. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Socrates Argues • Free Will Is Ignorance • After Ignorance And Knowledge is Gained Then Immorality • First One(s) In History That Have Had Free Will • Care To Guess?

  7. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • NOT ADAM & EVE • You Can Argue That They In Fact Did Not Have Free Will • Genesis 2:17 Complicates Free Will • If You Eat Then You Die

  8. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Satan & His Demons • Whether You Believe Lucifer (Satan) was cast from heaven with 1/3 of the angels… • Before Adam & Eve • Or After • If Free Will Then You Think You Are God • If You Want To Take God’s Spot Then God’s Wrath • Satan Wanted The Throne • Wanting To Be Like God (Adam & Eve) And Share The Throne

  9. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • So What Does The Bible Say About This? • Where In The Scripture Do We Find This?

  10. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • The Bible Has Over 600 Commandments / Laws • If The Over 600 Commandments Then Wisdom • If Not The Over 600 Commandments Then A Sacrifice • If Not Found In The Over 600 Commandments Then Exercise Free Will • Free Will Is Ignorance • If You Have Never Tried Broccoli Then Try Broccoli • If You Don’t Like Broccoli Then You Don’t Have To Eat Broccoli • If Broccoli Makes You Sick Then Don’t Eat Broccoli

  11. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • So When Is Ignorance (Free Will) Permitted? • Anyone Want To Guess? • When Is It That You Are The Most Ignorant?

  12. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • A Child • No Clear Cut Biblical Age Number That States Up Until This Age, “You Are Ignorant or Have Free Will” • The Bible Focuses On The Parent, Not The Child • Socrates Taught This To His Students? • See Handout

  13. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Ok Joel, I Thought This Was A History & The Bible Class…Why Are You Going On and On About If / Then?

  14. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • This Whole 10 Week Course Has Been Nothing More Than A Series of If / Then’s • If The Bible is True Then Reconstruct the Truths From The Perverted Historical Accounts • If A Flood Then a whole list of other if / thens • If A Joseph then… • If A Moses then … • If A Tribe of Dan then…

  15. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • The Whole Old Testament With An Emphasis On: • Genesis 2:17 • Leviticus • Jeremiah (More on this later) • Lamentations • Solomon • Proverbs • Writings of Imhotep/Joseph (Week 2 Lecture) • Writers? of Ecclesiastes

  16. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Intensive Academic Debate Today Over Ecclesiastes • Multiple Contributors Much Like the Book of Psalms • Psalms • David Multiple Psalms • Haggai Psalms 146 thru 150 • Moses Psalm 91 • Asaph Psalms 50, Psalms 73 - 83 • Solomon • Etc etc…

  17. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Who Else Potentially Involved In Writing Ecclesiastes • 1. Jesus, son of Sirach • A Philosopher Scholar at the Academy in Jerusalem (250 to 200 BC) • Author of Wisdom of Sirach (Apocrypha) • 2. Socrates • 3. Unknown Wise Teachers

  18. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • God Does Not Need Another God • He Wants Trust • He Wants Faith • He Made It Easy • God, “If You Do This Then I’ll Be Angry” • God, “If You Do This Then I’ll Be Happy” • Doing This Is Not Free Will • It’s Rebellion • It’s the Fruit of Sin (Dr. Tryon Lecture Last Week) • It’s Faith • It’s…Pick Any Term You Want In a Positive or Negative Direction

  19. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Finally God Has Enough

  20. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Back To Jeremiah & The Destruction Of Jerusalem • Jeremiah Laments For He Knows That The Jews Are Left On Their Own • Devastating Impact On The World • Devastating Impact On The Jews • The 2nd Temple Was A Sequel To The 1st • Jerusalem Always Being Run By Foreigners • 70 AD Not Nearly As Devastating as 586 From A Spiritual Effect But Josephus Records, “1 million were killed.”

  21. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • The Absence of Jerusalem Left A Massive Void • Buddha • Confucius • Socrates • Ezra • Nehemiah All Helped Refill the Void

  22. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • We Have Established That The Old Testament Is Nothing More Than If You Do “A” Then “B” • Who Else Had Their Input • Plato (Intensive Focus Next Semester) • Aristotle (Intensive Focus Next Semester)

  23. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Sun Tzu’s (Early 500s BC) • Art of War • If / Then Used Over 70 Times • Most Every Point of Physical Warfare Can And Does Relate To Spiritual Warfare • Military Warfare Bible For Over 2500 Years

  24. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • The Apostle Paul • Romans Chapters 8 & 9 • If God Be For Us, Then Who Can Be Against Us” • Acts 13 & 17 – Philosophy Manifesto • Quotes The 5th Line of Phaenomena of Aratus • Also Associated With Epimenides • Aratus Wrote About the Constellations & Celestial Phenomena

  25. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Eusebius • Writes Using If / Then Demonstrating How The Greeks Borrowed Their History From the Hebrews • If The Greeks Borrowed From The Hebrews Then Who Are The Hebrews That Qualify For Such An Honor? • Previous Classes

  26. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Too Many Others To Count • Let’s Speed Forward

  27. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Thomas Linacre (Intensive Study 3rd Semester) • Using If / Then • In Response To the Greek Text • If This is the Gospel Then I’m Not A Christian • Formed The Core Of Oxford Scholars • John Colet • William Latimer • William Grocyn – “The Friend And Supporter Of Us All”

  28. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • This Leads Us To The Dynamic Duo • If You Have a Hero Then You Must

  29. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Have a Villain • Not Quite Sure Who Was The Villain And Who Was the Hero • Both Were Both • Not Villains To The World – Just Hero & Villain With Each Other • Anyone Want To Guess?

  30. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Martin Luther • Erasmus of Rotterdam

  31. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Argued Over Free Will • Argued Over Asking Saints in Heaven To Pray For You vs Asking Friends To Pray For You (Polycarp Intensive Study Next Semester) • Got Along Great – Hardly Got Along • Luther’s Rage vs Erasmus Being Neutral • In The End – All About Free Will • Luther, In His Mind, Never Convinced Him • Which Leads To The Author Of The Mystery • “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis”

  32. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • Who Is The Author Of This Mystery Phrase You’ve Seen This Entire Lecture?

  33. “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • “O Sancte Socrate, Ora Pro Nobis” • “O Saint Socrates, Pray For Us” • Erasmus February, 1536 • Erasmus Dies 6 Months Later

  34. Erasmus • Universally Accepted As • The Last Man To Know Everything • Translated Hundreds of Greek Books • Translated Plato’s Writings About Socrates

  35. Erasmus • Socrates’ last night • “Whether or not God will approve of my actions, I know not; but this I am sure of, that I have at all times made it my endeavor to please Him, and I have a good hope that this my endeavor will be accepted by Him.” • Erasmus, “When I reflect on such a speech pronounced by such a person, I cry out ‘O Saint Socrates, pray for us.’”

  36. Erasmus on Socrates Till The Arrival of Jesus • “In Concerning Socrates, “I Can Find No Man In His Days or Forward That Sought To Please And Do Right Before God As He”

  37. Socrates • It Took 40 Years For Socrates To If / Then To One God • 440 BC to 400 BC • He Did It On His Own • It’s Easy Now To Understand the Laments of Jeremiah • Let’s Make A Couple of Things Clear or At Best Try and Clear Up Any Thoughts or Concerns

  38. We Cannot Go Forward • World History Will Be Very Difficult To Us Unless We Study… • Socrates / Morality • Plato / Government • Aristotle / Influence on Catholic Church • …AND These 3 Are UNDERSTOOD Or At The Very Least Grasped

  39. The Next 10 Weeks Starting Soon • 350 BC to 350 AD • Focuses Exclusively On Those That Thought They Had Free Will • In Short We Are Going To Focus On Those That Thought They Knew Better Than God – They Thought They Were Gods • Alexander the Great • Aristotle (And Cronies***) • Julius Caesar • Mark Anthony • Cleopatra • Octavian (Caesar Augustus) • Nero • ETC ETC

  40. 5 Minute Break • Here Comes Dr. Tryon

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