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  1. Where Young Earth Creationism Gets the Bible Wrong YEC Dogma 24-hour days Flood geology No plant death Rich Deem Paradoxes Class December 1, 2013 Holy Bible vs. Days longer than 24 hours Plants do die

  2. “And we must as God’s people stand against the compromise of reinterpreting Genesis to fit in evolution and millions of years, which undermines biblical authority.” Ken Ham, Answers In Genesis Ken Ham. Assemblies of God Journal Takes a Dogmatic Position Against Those Who Insist on a Literal Genesis. 9/22/2012.

  3. It is the avowed “Bible believers” that are leading their followers down a broad road of compromise with philosophical amalgams like “The Progressive Creation Theory” or “The Framework Hypothesis.” Henry Morris III, Institute for Creation Research Henry Morris III. 2001. The Dangers Of Compromise. Acts & Facts. 30 (7).

  4. Jesus of the Pharisees: “Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:13)

  5. Death Before the Fall Was there no death of any kind before the fall of Adam and Eve?

  6. Death Through Sin • Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned • 1Co 15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. • 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

  7. Carnivores

  8. Carnivores Ate Plants? • Genesis 1:29-30: Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30) and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. • Genesis 1: 29-30command given to Adam and Eve • Genesis 9:3 command to allow meat eating given to humans, not animals

  9. Creation of Carnivores Genesis 1:24-25 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

  10. Carnivores חיה "Now then, come and let us kill him and throw him into one of the pits; and we will say, 'A wild beast [châyâh] devoured him.' Then let us see what will become of his dreams!" (Genesis 37:20) 'I shall also grant peace in the land, so that you may lie down with no one making you tremble. I shall also eliminate harmful beasts [châyâh] from the land, and no sword will pass through your land. (Leviticus 26:6) “They were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and they became food for every beast of the field[châyâh] and were scattered.” (Ezekiel 34:5) I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast [châyâh] would tear them. (Hosea 13:8)

  11. Adam's names for carnivores

  12. Death is Evil? When Christian leaders try to add millions of years into God’s Word, then they are making God responsible for death, disease, thorns, carnivory, and suffering millions of years before sin. The Bible makes it clear such things are a result of man’s sin! Ken Ham “The ‘Disease’ of Millions of Years” May 21, 2012.

  13. God Approves Killing of Animals • Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; (Genesis 4:4) • And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. (Genesis 3:21) • "You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread; nor is the fat of My feast to remain overnight until morning. (Exodus 23:18)

  14. God Feeds Carnivores • "Who prepares for the raven its nourishment, When its young cry to God, And wander about without food?" (Job 38:41)  • "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, [God speaking] (Job 38:39)  • The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God. (Psalm 104:21) • There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great... They all wait for Thee, To give them their food in due season. (Psalm 104:25, 27) • Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. (Luke 12:24)

  15. Young Earth Dogma or Bible? Holy Bible YEC Dogma Animals didn’t Kill until after The fall God approves of animal death God feeds the carnivores

  16. No Plant Death? Whole plants didn’t die? Plants aren’t alive?

  17. Whole Plants were not Eaten • Only parts of plants are eaten? • Herbivores pull up and eat entire plants

  18. Plants Aren’t Alive • “The Bible never refers to plants as living. They may ‘grow,’ or ‘flourish,’ but they do not ‘live.’ Neither do they ‘die.’ Morris, J. 1991. Are Plants Alive? Acts & Facts. 20: (9). • “Plants are not ‘alive’ in the biblical sense of nepheshchayyah, only animals and man.” Bodie Hodge. 2010. Biblically, Could Death Have Existed before Sin? Answers in Genesis

  19. Chay • You are a garden fountain, a well of flowing [chay] water streaming down from Lebanon. (Song of Solomon 4:15) • But when Isaac's servants dug in the valley and found there a well of flowing [chay] water, (Genesis 26:19) • "The priest shall also give orders to slay the one bird in an earthenware vessel over running [chay] water. (Leviticus 14:5) חי

  20. Trees Die! • Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all destined for death, for the earth below, among mortal men, with those who go down to the pit. (Ezekiel 31:14)

  21. Trees Die! So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy [shâchath] both them and the earth. (Genesis 6:13) • When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees of the field people, that you should besiege them? (Deuteronomy 20:19) • But I was like a gentle lamb led to the slaughter; And I did not know that they had devised plots against me, saying, “Let us destroy the tree with its fruit, And let us cut him off from the land of the living, That his name be remembered no more.” (Jeremiah 11:19) Lot looked up and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan was well watered, like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, toward Zoar. (This was before the LORD destroyed [shâchath] Sodom and Gomorrah.) (Genesis 13:10)

  22. Grass Dies! • For the waters of Nimrim are desolate. Surely the grass is withered, the tender grass died out [kâlâh], There is no green thing. (Isaiah 15:6)

  23. Plants Die! • “Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy [kâlâh] them...” (Exodus 32:10) • … ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out [kâlâh].’ (1 Samuel 15:18) • “…I will send the sword after them until I have annihilated [kâlâh] them.” (Jeremiah 9:16)

  24. Plant Death Compared to Human Death • Can papyrus grow tall where there is no marsh? Can reeds thrive without water? While still growing and uncut, they wither more quickly than grass. Such is the destiny of all who forget God; so perishes the hope of the godless. (Job 8:11-13) • "At least there is hope for a tree: If it is cut down, it will sprout again, and its new shoots will not fail. Its roots may grow old in the ground and its stump die in the soil, yet at the scent of water it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant. But man dies and is laid low; he breathes his last and is no more. (Job 14:7-10) • A Psalm of David. Do not fret because of evildoers, Be not envious toward wrongdoers. For they will wither quickly like the grass And fade like the green herb. (Psalm 37:1-2)

  25. Plant Death Compared to Human Death • As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes. When the wind has passed over it, it is no more, And its place acknowledges it no longer. (Psalm 103:15-16) • …All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades, When the breath of the LORD blows upon it; Surely the people are grass. The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. (Isaiah 40:6-8)

  26. Plant Death Compared to Human Death • "Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (Luke 3:9) • and the rich man is to glory in his humiliation, because like flowering grass he will pass away. For the sun rises with a scorching wind and withers the grass; and its flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away. (James 1:10-11) • For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, (1 Peter 1:24)

  27. Young Earth Dogma or Bible? Holy Bible YEC Dogma Plants aren’t alive Plants don’t die Plants are alive Plants do die

  28. Creation Began in 4004 BC? Age of the Earth According to the Bible

  29. Ussher and Genealogies Exactly 4,000 Years • Chronology of Archbishop Ussher was not just continuous genealogies

  30. 1,000 Generations = 4,000 Years? • Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations, (1 Chronicles 16:15) • He has remembered His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations, (Psalm 105:8) • but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:6) • but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Deuteronomy 5:10) • Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands. (Deuteronomy 7:9)

  31. Young Earth Dogma or Bible? Holy Bible YEC Dogma Earth is 6,000 Years old Human beings existed >40,000 yr

  32. 24 Hour Days?

  33. Creation Day 3 Genesis 1:9-13 Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. (10) God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. (11) Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. (12) The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. (13) There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

  34. Creation Day 3 • Formation of continents • Creation of plants • God, the farmer! • Germination → growth → seeds • God speeded up the process? • “The earth brought forth vegetation” דּשׁא

  35. Creation Day 6 Genesis 1:24-31 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. (26) Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (27) God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (28) God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." (29) Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30) and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. (31) God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

  36. Genesis 2 • Detailed account of day 6 • Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25) • Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7) • God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8)

  37. God Planted a Garden נטע

  38. Genesis 2 • Detailed account of day 6 • Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25) • Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7) • God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8) • God put Adam into the garden (Genesis 2:8) • God instructed Adam to “cultivate and keep it” (Genesis 2:15) עבד שׁמר

  39. Genesis 2 • God brought “all the cattle, the birds of the sky, and every beast of the field” to Adam to name. • God put Adam to sleep, took a piece from his side and formed Eve. • Adam exclaimed, “Now at length” פּעם

  40. AiG Day 6 Timeline plants 2:59-3:00 Adam gets lonely Tim Chaffey. Contradictions: Not Enough Hours in the Day. Could the events of Day Six have fit within 24 hours? Answers in Genesis, March 20, 2012

  41. Day 7 • By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. (Genesis 2:2) • No “there is the evening and the morning, the 7th day” • “For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh day, And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”... Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:4-11)

  42. Young Earth Dogma or Bible? Holy Bible YEC Dogma 24-hour days Days longer than 24 hours

  43. The Garden of Eden

  44. Adam Created Immortal? • Both Answers in Genesis and ICR say Adam was created immortal • Why did God create the “tree of life” in the middle of the garden? • Why did God post a guard to prevent Adam from eating from the tree of life? • “Adam was created immortal and was to be God’s representative and steward on the earth, to fulfill the divine purpose.” Dr. Bill Greenhaw, “Jesus Christ: The Last Adam.” AiG, 12/24/2007 • “Adam and Eve were apparently meant to be immortal” Alene D. Oestreicher, “Worldwide Traditions of Primordial Paradise.” ICR

  45. Where was Eden? • “Ultimately, we don’t know where the Garden of Eden was located.” Ken Ham

  46. Where was Eden? ASSYRIA Tigris R. Euphrates R. CUSH? Karun R. Gihon? Eden? Wadi Al-Batin Pishon? HAVILA?

  47. Why YEC “Don’t Know” Where Eden Was? • Flood geology posits the global flood changed the earth’s geology • Eden’s four rivers should not still be here if flood geology were true • Up to 9,000 meters of sedimentary rock and petroleum sits under Mesopotamia • All these deposits are up to 6 miles below sea level!

  48. Young Earth Dogma or Bible? Holy Bible YEC Dogma Flood geology Eden destroyed Eden was Near the 4 rivers of the Persian Gulf

  49. The Flood

  50. Global Flood? Psalm 104:5-9 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (6) You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. (7) But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; (8) they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them. (9) You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth.