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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda

IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda. Date: 29 November 18. Authors:. Call to Order / Administrative Items. Officers for the RR-TAG / IEEE 802.18: Chair is Jay Holcomb (Itron) Vice-chair is open Secretary is Allan Zhu (Huawei)

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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda

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  1. IEEE 802.18 RR-TAGTeleconference Agenda • Date: 29 November 18 Authors: Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  2. Call to Order / Administrative Items • Officers for the RR-TAG / IEEE 802.18: • Chair is Jay Holcomb (Itron) • Vice-chair is open • Secretary is Allan Zhu (Huawei) • Voters: 41 (9 on EC); Nearly Voters: 2; Aspirant members: 14 • A quorum is met since this meeting was announced more then 45 days ago. • With teleconferences approval on 12 July 2018, quorum is met. After aug31, after 12 July 2018. • IEEE 802 Required notices: • Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • > Be sure to announce you name, affiliation, employer and clients the first time you speak. • Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • Ethics - https://www.ieee.org/about/corporate/governance/p7-8.html • IEEE 802 WG Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml • The 4 administration slides, reminder from your WG opening plenary  new 02jan18 • (note: call for essential patents is n/a, as the RR-TAG does not do standards) Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  3. Jay Holcomb (Itron) Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. • Relative costs of different technical approaches that include relative costs of patent licensing terms may be discussed in standards development meetings. • Technical considerations remain the primary focus • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- For more details, see IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Antitrust and Competition Policy: What You Need to Know at http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/antitrust.pdf

  4. Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings • Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis • Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) • IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause 4.2.1 “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) • Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. • Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 “Chair”, list item x. • By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (and please leave the call or meeting.) Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  5. Agenda for teleconference • Discussion items, few more details: • EU Items • General items, ETSI, CEPT, etc. • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS Cellular Vehicle to Everything(C-V2X) • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future • What can IEEE 802 support in it and how? • General discussion items: • Updated Cisco VNI. • Call to Order • Attendance server is open • Administrative items • Need a recording secretary • Approve agenda & last minutes • ill looking for an 802.18 Vice-Chair. • Discussion items • EU Items • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS Cellular Vehicle to Everything(C-V2X) • Presidential Memorandum on Sustainable Spectrum Strategy • General Discussion Items • Actions required • tbd • AOB and Adjourn Jay Holcomb (Itron) Agenda

  6. Administrative – Motions and more • Need a recording secretary today • Motion: To approve the agenda as presented on previous slide • Moved by: Peter Ecclesine • Seconded by: Tim Harrington • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Motion: To approve the updated minutes from the IEEE 802.18 teleconference 08 November 2018 in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0151-01-0000-minutes-08nov18-rr-tag-teleconference.doc Update Posted:29-Nov-2018 14:15:32 ET • Moved by: Peter Ecclesine • Seconded by: Tim Harrington • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Does anyone have an interest in being the 802.18 Vice-Chair? • Needs to be a member of the IEEE and also the SA, needs a declaration of term commitment and affiliation letters to the EC. of term commitment Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  7. EU items to share • General EU news? • Nothing of note the past week. • ETSI – BRAN – next meeting #100 - 17-20 Dec. 2018, Sophia Antipolis • 6 contributions. • Agenda has been set. • Receiver performance will be interesting discussions, which could really affect new devices going into EU. • ETSI - ERM - TG-11 – next meeting # 55 - 08-11 Apr 2019, Sophia Antipolis • EN 300 440 and TG-11 use the 2.4 GHz band, the 440 had finished approval process, but is being held up going into the OJEU per the previously discussed new process with consultant and desk officer. • TG-UWB is meeting next week also. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  8. EU items -2 • CEPT – ECC SE45 - Next f2f  #6 in Bonn Germany, 10 – 12 December 2018 • 6 input documents, all are due by Monday. • Some on FS will be controversial, simulation results, etc. • Would like to finish the report to go out for public comment in January, so will be a busy few days. • CEPT – ECC FM57 -Next f2f #4 in Bonn Germany, 11 – 13 December 2018 Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  9. 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -1 of 2 • https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/11212224101742/5GAA%20Petition%20for%20Waiver%20-%20Final%2011.21.2018.pdf • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0152-01-0000-5gaa-waiver-to-allow-its-cellular-vehicle-to-everything-c-v2x.docx (link added in Annex D) • The Current Rules Prohibit Use of C-V2X in the 5.9 GHz Band • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X is a Modern, Standards-Based Technology Designed to Meet Today’s Transportation Challenges as Well as the Evolving Demands of Tomorrow’s 5G Connected Transportation Ecosystem • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X’s Evolutionary Path to 5G and Subsequent Wireless Generations Will Help to Amplify and Expand Upon the Safety and Other Benefits Enabled by C-V2X Services • C-V2X’s Unique Cost Efficiency Supports an Accelerated Timeline for Deployment • The Commission Should Grant a Waiver of Its Rules to Expedite the Deployment of C-V2X Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  10. 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -2 of 2 • Referencing: earlier email to .18 Listserver, same situation: • Ericsson, Vodafone, BMW advocate for C-V2X for road safety in Europe, not ‘old Wi-Fi’ Friday, November 16, 2018 • Ericsson, Vodafone and BMW Group are urging the European Commission to consider cellular-based technology, or Cellular-V2X (C-V2X), for car safety rather than effectively mandating what amounts to an old Wi-Fi technology. • Some .18 discussion / comments: • Look at footnotes of 47&48, why this is a wavier, not cont. as exp. license or a rule making. • There is a test report from 5GAA, and their summary is they are doing better than DSRC. • Annex D has the their test results (link added in 18-18/0152r01) • Appendix C has summary of most all tests that are going on. • Appendix D, these should be they rules for the wavier; e.g. 5925-5975 for C-V2X only. • In the long term there is no sharing. • Seems DOT has a connection in some of these test sites. • It will be put out for comments, and it departs from all previous efforts on Vehicle Safety. • .18 needs to review and be prepared to do comments. • 802.11 NGV is going now on enhancing .11p, .18 chair will send update to .11 chair. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  11. Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -1 of 2 • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0134-00-0000-developing-a-sustainable-spectrum-strategy-for-america-s-future.docx • A couple of highlights: • In the growing digital economy, wireless technologies expand opportunities to increase economic output of rural communities and connect them with urban markets, and offer safety benefits that save lives, prevent injuries, and reduce the cost of transportation incidents.  • Moreover, it is imperative that America be first in fifth-generation (5G) wireless technologies -- wireless technologies capable of meeting the high-capacity, low-latency, and high-speed requirements that can unleash innovation broadly across diverse sectors of the economy and the public sector.  • … create flexible models for spectrum management, including standards, incentives, and enforcement mechanisms that promote efficient and effective spectrum use, including flexible-use spectrum licenses, while accounting for critical safety and security concerns; • There are more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  12. Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -2 of 2 • How can we support this policy? • From plenary: Members were not seeing it from 802.18, though asked to review later. • Also, maybe the EC could do a Press Release on some of the topics. • Here is a start of a response leveraging from IEEE SA Spectrum Statement. • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0147-00-0000-ieee-802-draft-press-release-supporting-us-spectrum-strategy.docx • 802.18 discussed in some depth and still not seeing anything from 802.18. • This is not like a public comment solicitation that .18 would normally respond to. • Question asked, what value will we add to the process, as we are not part of the executive branches being asked for input? We agree there is a critical need. • This is something we should keep our eyes on. May not have immediate impact, but could go off the rail some time. • It does have some connection to the IEEE SA position statement they just released on unlicensed spectrum allocation and management. Should a response come from IEEE SA or even IEEE USA? • This could be an opportunity for us to remind people that we need a balance between license and unlicensed spectrum allocation. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  13. General Discussion Items • Latest Cisco VNI 2018-2022 networking trends, • https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/white-paper-c11-741490.pdf • Very useful for WiFi usage forecast and trends for the initial connection to the internet. • Trend is on course as predicted earlier, up. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  14. Actions Required • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X , will likely be put out for comments. • 802.18 needs to review and be prepared to do comments. • 802.11 NGV is going now on enhancing .11p, .18 chair will send update to .11 chair. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  15. Any Other Business • None. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  16. Adjourn • Next teleconference: 06 Dec 2018 – 15:00 – <15:55 ET • Call in info: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/16/18-16-0038-10-0000-teleconference-call-in-info.pptx(or latest) • Note: If the call-in link doesn’t work send the Chair an email right away. • All changes/cancellations will be sent out to the 802.18 list server. • Adjourn: • Agenda complete, any objection to Adjourn. • None heard, we are Adjourned at 15:50 ET • The next face to face meeting of the 802.18 RR-TAG will be at the IEEE 802 13-18 January19 the Wireless Interim in St. Louis, MO, USA at the Hilton St Louis at the Ballpark. • Time slots, Tuesday AM2 and Thursday AM1 • Thank You Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  17. Jay Holcomb (Itron) Thank You • Reference, links to EU sites: • Bran: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=287&SubTB=287 • ERM TG-11: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=442&SubTB=442 • CEPT SE45: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-se/se-45/client/introduction/ • CEPT FM57: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-fm/fm-57/client/introduction/ • OJEU: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html • HS: https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/ Back up and/or previous slides follow

  18. General Discussion Items -4 • Sharing and license-exempt • A study on feasibility and next steps toward a Next Generation Spectrum Management (NGSM). • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1386-00-0wng-ngsm-next-generation-spectrum-management.pptx • 802.11 San Diego WGN proposal on Future of Unlicensed Spectrum • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • A perspective on regardless of everything we do to develop new, better, faster wireless technologies, the available spectrum has a hard limit • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0060-02-0000-a-future-for-unlicensed-spectrum.pptx • Bi-directional sharing • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • This came up in the IEEE 802 LeaderCon session in July and the 802.18 chair along with others have an action item to look at this more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  19. General Discussion Items -3 of 6 • DSRC ex parte from NCTA • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0129-00-0000-fresh-look-ex-parte-10-15-18-et-13-49-dsrc.pdf • https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=13-49&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • https://www.fcc.gov/document/commissioner-orielly-statement-ncta-59-ghz-letter • STATEMENT OF Commissioner MICHAEL O’Rielly • WASHINGTON, October 16, 2018. – “It is pure folly to believe that DSRC will ever work as envisioned, as time and technology advancements elsewhere have undermined previous use cases.  As NCTA correctly seeks in today’s ex parte letter, the Commission should quickly reexamine the 5.9 GHz band for repurposing.  Once concluded, I am confident that at least 45 megahertz can be reallocated for unlicensed services without jeopardizing automobile safety.” • DOT has had this spectrum for nearly 20 years and still not getting to done. • We tried before (11p, …) and not looking we could get single voice out of .11 now, e.g. NGV etc. • At the teleconferences, decided to hold and see what happens. • Additional: • https://www.fcc.gov/document/commissioner-rosenworcel-statement-59-ghz-band • STATEMENT OF COMMISSIONER JESSICA ROSENWORCEL • “I continue to support efforts to facilitate safe, unlicensed access to the 5.9 GHz band. In the nearly twenty years since the FCC allocated this spectrum, autonomous and connected vehicles have largely moved beyond dedicated short range communications technology to newer, market-driven alternatives. It is time to take a fresh look at this band to allow a broader range of uses. By taking these steps now, we can support automobile safety, increase spectrum for Wi-Fi, and grow our wireless economy.” Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  20. General Discussion Items -4a of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-1 of 3 • The Commission’s Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) is requesting comment on the report for Phase I of tests performed to evaluate potential sharing solutions between the proposed Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (U-NII) devices and Dedicated Short Range Communications (DSRC) operations in the 5850-5925 MHz (U-NII-4) frequency band. The attached report provides a detailed summary of the testing methodology, measurements, and observations. • Request for comments: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0140-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices.docx • Report: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0141-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices-report.pdf • Proceeding: • https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=13-49&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-requests-comment-59-ghz-phase-i-testing-data • Comment Date: 28 November 2018 • EC vote 16nov, or do reply comments. • Reply Comments Date: 13 December 2018 Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  21. General Discussion Items -4b of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-2 of 3 • As summarized in the report, we found the prototype devices reliably detected DSRC signals. The report includes the results of the evaluation of the Wi-Fi sharing techniques since one of the proposed band sharing methods would require re-channelization of the DSRC spectrum. In brief, the test results show that the prototype U-NII-4 devices were able to detect a co-channel DSRC signal and implement post detection steps as claimed by the submitters. • Knowing history, can we get agreement on points to comment on? • What would they be? • Detect and vacate mentioned above, is not covering if there is any harmful interference. • Mitigation seems to still be open. • DOT will be the judge on safety of transportation. They get the say what is needed. The report is just a testing report, and not on the safety of transportation. • O’Reily’s comment does not consider there is CV2X, C-V2X, …. …. coming along now, that is being discussed elsewhere. • In the end for those on the earlier call, not looking like there is interest for IEEE 802 to comment. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  22. General Discussion Items -4c of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-3 of 3 • Statement of commissioner Michael O’Rielly on 5.9 GHz phase I testing data • DOC-354831A1.docxDOC-354831A1.pdfDOC-354831A1.txt • While I appreciate release of the 5.9 GHz Phase I testing data, the results are not all that surprising given the simple questions posed. The reality is that the entire debate has gravitated away from the type of sharing regime envisioned in the testing.  Instead, the Commission should move past this and initiate a rulemaking to reallocate at least 45 megahertz of the band, which is completely unused today for automobile safety • Commissioner Rosenworcel on phase I test report of prototype U-N-II-4 devices. • DOC-354830A1.docxDOC-354830A1.pdfDOC-354830A1.txt • “Nearly two years after the deadline for completing a three-phase test plan to determine whether auto safety and Wi-Fi can share the 5.9 GHz band, this agency is releasing the results of its lab testing. These results are long overdue. But we need to do more than just make our work public. We need to start a rulemaking to take a fresh look at this band and its real possibilities.” Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  23. Potential reference document when doing comments • Note: in the 802.19 co-existence <1 GHz meeting it was brought up for IEEE 802 as a whole to put together a document on basic spectrum parameters that would be good for all IEEE 802 standards to co-exist (less interference….) • Actually, need to have this for all IEEE 802 to just work in the spectrum, e.g. BWs needed. Not just coexistence. • Point being that 802.18 can refer to / use when responding to regulators on different consultations, to encourage regulators in general to configure their spectrum to allow all the IEEE 802 standards in a more consistent/friendly way. • For the many in attendance, it was felt many regulators would appreciate at least knowing this. • Additional point to add to the doc, duty cycle is not for the protocol/standard/amendment being discussed, it is a regulation to allow others (and their packet lengths) to have access to the spectrum. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  24. Fellowship Request • Fellowship request on reaching out to all regulators. • Enhancing Collaboration between IEEE 802 and World Regulators on unlicensed spectrum regulations • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-0580-01-coex-enhancing-collaboration-between-ieee-802-and-world-regulators-on-unlicensed-spectrum-regulations.pptx • Thursday: • A start is to keep in touch with the fellowship attendees. • They are welcome to our meetings and calls. • Could something be added to the IEEE newsletter/communication for the regulators, to answer the news letter input? • Can IEEE be more pro-active with some of the other (e.g. regional) regulators? • The challenge is to ID which we can, and being a volunteer / individual organization, the time and money from the volunteers? • Many regulators don’t have IEEE has a point of contact like they do with WFA or other implementing orgs do. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

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